“Our systematic study exposes a phenomenon of constraint decay in LLM-based coding agents. While current models excel at unconstrained generation, their performance drops when forced to navigate explicit architectural rules. For end-users, this dichotomy implies that agents are reliable for rapid prototyping but remain unreliable for production-grade backend development.”
One major weakness of this study is that they didn’t fully test frontier models for cost reasons, so the specific performance results should be taken with a grain of salt. But the overall conclusion that models degrade when both behavior and architecture must be correct is interesting, and something to keep an eye on.
qsort 2 hours ago [-]
I think it's downstream of "you can't optimize for two different objectives".
If you only have functional requirements, then in effect you're doing some form of program synthesis, and RL can optimize that very hard.
If you have a mixture of functional and non-functional requirements, you are basically giving the model an incomplete specification, and it must in some way guess at the user's intent to fill in the blanks. This is also why adding to the prompt examples of the style of code you want (hats off to antirez for this particular tip ;)) is phenomenally powerful.
apsurd 2 hours ago [-]
Would you mind sharing antirez' suggestion?
qsort 2 hours ago [-]
I am obviously paraphrasing, but the general idea is that trying to synthesize style from a codebase into e.g. a markdown guide generally doesn't work very well. What achieves style transfer is providing the model with a lot of examples of the style, conventions, patterns you want.
To put it in practice: if you point claude/codex to a repository and you ask it to implement feature X using style guide Y, the code will probably work, but you can usually get better results by saying "do it in the style of this file, it was done well there".
brandensilva 1 hours ago [-]
Right more simply put it's great at being a copy cat, exploring similar data points that match your token needs.
It is not great at decision making or judgment calls that don't have a well defined spec or plan in place yet; like unofficial or unapproved tokens if you will. A lot of this stuff simply never has had specs as it has been internal to how companies work and their secret sauce.
The closest thing we have are governance and compliance policies due to legal/business needs requiring it so it's far more well documented than operational ones in how we work. It is more about the how versus the what here I guess is what I'm saying.
But yeah this is why it does great when there are tests, design systems, evals, and other artifacts to mirror. Far more reckless and unpredictable without these things, but still great for exploration and finding the data output you seek.
mikeyouse 1 hours ago [-]
I ran into similar issues as we started to roll out LLM generated financials in our org.. I’m so used to the old SQL workflow of “grab this data from this table, that data from that table, combine it into a final result that looks like xxxx” where the tables were outputs from reports in our ERP but I was having terrible results.
Ended up pointing Claude at a few sample files from our existing reporting, gave it read-only oauth access to the ERP and said “build a new report showing the cash by project as calculated by xxxx - yyyy + zzzz in the style of the existing reports” and it basically one-shot from there.
Kind of crazy and I built a bunch of redundant check-sums because I honestly didn’t think it would be able to replace like 6 workdays of effort for the 2 FTEs who generate that kind of thing manually every month but so far so good..
nijave 2 hours ago [-]
Hmm, I have some anecdotal evidence this is true. Interactively working out a plan with Opus on multiple occasions it'd come up with an incompatible solution, I'll add additional context/requirements, and it has a tendency to "anchor" on it's original architecture and struggles to adapt. Sometimes it tries to sneak in changes for the original plan anyway.
whstl 21 minutes ago [-]
Opus does this waaaay too much for my taste. It works fine for vibe-coders but for technical work it is infuriating.
jeremyjh 2 hours ago [-]
Even the strongest frontier model they used - GPT 5.2 - I would consider barely usable for agentic programming.
I’m not really interested in analysis of the weaknesses of such models because in my experience many weaknesses disappear entirely as models get stronger and reasoning effort is turned up. Especially if you tell them what you want them to do.
Also, it’s not surprising to learn that when more acceptance criteria are added the failure rate increases.
sigbottle 1 hours ago [-]
Wait isn't gpt 5.2 good? Or is it not thinking / not codex? 5.2 was what sparked the late 2025 openai agentic programming revolution.
xienze 1 hours ago [-]
> their performance drops when forced to navigate explicit architectural rules
Even the best models have trouble adhering to stuff as mundane as rules for how to style generated code (indent this much, name things with these patterns, etc.). Even the most die-hard AI-first coder will admit to that kind of stuff being not unheard-of. Yet they still delude themselves into thinking that these models will follow a sufficiently detailed spec to the letter, every time.
vishvananda 1 hours ago [-]
I've been experimenting quite a bit with long-horizion agentic coding[1] and I have also noticed that agents seem to perform worse when forced into certain architectural patterns. I have found that is a bit better when including the constraints along the way instead of adding them after the fact. There seems to be a side-effect I have been calling "calcification", where a pattern starts appearing in the codebase and the agent follows the pattern to the point where it dominates the context and becomes self-reinforcing. This could potentially be a strength or a weakness for existing code bases depending the codebase quality. I will have more insights on this soon as more from-scratch runs conclude that include architectural guidance from the beginning.
Reminds me of the recent paper about delegating document editing tasks to LLMs across different disciplines [1]. That paper found that programming was the only discipline most LLMs can perform long horizon tasks on without accumulating errors & corrupting the document.
I've only read the abstract of this one so far but it seems like this paper has zoomed in on programming with greater fidelity and shown a similar phenomenon. But not about long horizon tasks, more like "long style horizons" of larger sets of structural constraints.
If it’s not easily verifiable, LLMs aren’t good at it.
jeremyjh 2 hours ago [-]
I think that’s mostly because they get so much more of that reinforcement learning - since it is so economical. I dont know if there is any evidence of a fundamental reason they can’t be just as good at other tasks, but it might be economically infeasible for awhile yet.
emp17344 3 minutes ago [-]
RLVR doesn’t work for unverifiable tasks, so they won’t be able to effectively use tools to boost reliability for those tasks.
mjburgess 2 hours ago [-]
No one is curating vast amounts of data for them in other domains. Programmers send programs with fixes
knollimar 40 minutes ago [-]
There's no diff of my excel lambdas being fixed? :(
p0w3n3d 3 hours ago [-]
tasks spanning eight web frameworks
Does anyone else have this experience that LLM create better pure html+CSS+js than work with existing frameworks?
bob1029 1 hours ago [-]
I think web frameworks have been "in trouble" as of gpt-5.4. I can't imagine using something like React anymore.
The most incredible combo I've seen lately is progressive enhancement of Razor Pages with javascript. With this arrangement the newest models tend to make a really good call on if something should happen server-side (cshtml) or on the client (js).
dwa3592 2 hours ago [-]
This sounds like another version of "As a chat becomes longer, the guardrails seem to become fuzzy". You can't use all of the context window bc at the end, the output would not respect the constraints (or guardrails) but to reliably produce production grade code you want the model to have expansive awareness which fills up the context window pretty quickly. It's like saying "Keep everything in mind from these 6 directories - and make this <insert ticket> change" - but keeping everything in mind already fills it's context window which makes it lose it's ability to follow the constraints (or guardrails).
whatever1 2 hours ago [-]
This is not a new problem though. This is why we started writing modular code, strict interfaces etc
lanstin 2 hours ago [-]
And doing incremental dev, so once a feature is done you can mostly ignore it.
Silhouette 2 hours ago [-]
If there is one good thing that the generative AI tools have shown beyond any doubt it's that the classic "good programming" practices are still useful and effective. Self-documenting code. Modular design. Clearly defined architecture. Incremental development. Coding standards. Automated tests. Automated everything.
If there's a second thing the generative AI tools have shown beyond any doubt it's that many of the more modern (relatively speaking) "best practices" that have always been over-hyped and questionably-evidenced really do tend to produce worse results. LLMs take these methods to their logical conclusions and show us the end result much sooner. You can't just iterate your way to a solution when you don't even know what problem you're trying to solve. If you don't have a clear spec then you don't know what a correct product looks like. You need to invest time in reviewing code properly. If you don't keep the big picture in mind then the big picture becomes a mess.
Maybe one day the LLMs will leave me out of a job but at least I'll feel validated first!
yomismoaqui 3 hours ago [-]
Also they used languages with dynamic typing like Python & JS. In my experience a statically typed codebase is easier to maintain for humans so maybe it is also for agents.
When using Codex/Claude Code with Go code I cannot count the times the agent does some change, runs a build to check for errors, find some and fix them.
acbart 3 hours ago [-]
It's crazy to me that people think of Python as dynamically typed by default. Strong static typing has been an option in Python for years now, and it should just be the default.
mrob 32 minutes ago [-]
>Strong static typing has been an option in Python for years now, and it should just be the default.
"The Python runtime does not enforce function and variable type annotations. They can be used by third party tools such as type checkers, IDEs, linters, etc."
Which third-party enforcement mechanism do you propose become the default?
epgui 2 hours ago [-]
The python type hints are useful for static analysis (and yes, should be the default) but it’s a joke compared to the utility of types in a language like Haskell.
bob1029 2 hours ago [-]
> Our findings reveal a phenomenon of constraint decay: as structural requirements accumulate, agent performance exhibits a substantial decline.
I have exactly the inverse findings on my end. The bigger and more legacy the codebase, the more accurate the patches become.
The harness itself seems to be the most important part. I use a recursive loop that primes the root context based on the user prompt each time. My agent will often make over 100 tool calls to sql and git before it finally decides to apply a patch. If I was greenfield, there would be nothing to query or constrain against.
richardlblair 2 hours ago [-]
I find the same. We have abstractions with multiple concrete implementations, examples of patterns and examples of anti patterns.
I usually find I can achieve 90% of the outcome I'm trying to achieve. I use sonnet for planning, qwen for coding, sonnet for review.
xcjsam 2 hours ago [-]
The harness mattering more than the model lines up with my experience too. What this paper measures is within-turn constraint decay. The version that bites in multi-agent setups is across-session — the architectural rules an agent wrote down on Monday don't reach the agent making the next change on Tuesday.
gkfasdfasdf 4 hours ago [-]
Odd they used GPT-5.2 and not GPT-5.2-codex. i.e. the one optimized for coding agent tasks.
maleldil 12 minutes ago [-]
Considering this is from academia, there's a chance there were limitations on the available models. My research group accesses OpenAI models via Azure, and until recently (last week) the latest model was GPT 5. We just got 5.4.
leecommamichael 3 hours ago [-]
These things don’t think. We’re going to have to reiterate this for a long time, I fear.
emp17344 3 hours ago [-]
There is now a trillion-dollar industry bent to the task of convincing people these things can think. It’s gonna cause some damage.
suprfnk 1 hours ago [-]
I don't think they think. I still use them a lot despite that, because they are very powerful parameterised code generators.
sheeshkebab 3 hours ago [-]
…but they reason well enough given enough context (using their matmuls).
noosphr 3 hours ago [-]
To this day frontier models think that A and not B means A and B when the sentence gets pushed far enough back in their context window. The context length that model can reason over without obvious errors is much smaller than the advertised context. Between a 1/4th to a 1/20th what is advertised on the tin.
Npovview 1 hours ago [-]
Do you also happen to remember what you ate last thrusday?
leecommamichael 1 hours ago [-]
Is that the same gap as what you’re responding to? To me, it seems his critique is about advertised capability and logical statements, and your rhetorical(?) question is about memory.
rbbydotdev 3 hours ago [-]
This is interesting, anecdotally I have felt like I was having better luck with raw sqlite than using an ORM in a recent typescript project, using raw sqlite queries vs drizzle
oulipo2 2 hours ago [-]
Exactly why you can't remove humans in the loop to assess that the solution is not only correct (which LLMs are quite bad at, once concurrency, logic, etc are involved), but also elegant, maintainable, etc
phrotoma 2 hours ago [-]
"constraint decay" isn't this just another name for the (already well understood) idea of "context rot"?
volume_tech 5 hours ago [-]
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spacedoutman 1 hours ago [-]
This research is useless and nearly all other LLM research is too.
gpt 5.2 is the strongest model they tested, a nearly 6 month old model.
Traditional research can not keep up.
acgourley 52 minutes ago [-]
I disagree, their findings should generalize to the frontier. Even if the latest can deal with the extra complexity, it stands to reason it will take more tokens to do less. This could be a useful insight into the next generation of evals.
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One major weakness of this study is that they didn’t fully test frontier models for cost reasons, so the specific performance results should be taken with a grain of salt. But the overall conclusion that models degrade when both behavior and architecture must be correct is interesting, and something to keep an eye on.
If you only have functional requirements, then in effect you're doing some form of program synthesis, and RL can optimize that very hard.
If you have a mixture of functional and non-functional requirements, you are basically giving the model an incomplete specification, and it must in some way guess at the user's intent to fill in the blanks. This is also why adding to the prompt examples of the style of code you want (hats off to antirez for this particular tip ;)) is phenomenally powerful.
To put it in practice: if you point claude/codex to a repository and you ask it to implement feature X using style guide Y, the code will probably work, but you can usually get better results by saying "do it in the style of this file, it was done well there".
It is not great at decision making or judgment calls that don't have a well defined spec or plan in place yet; like unofficial or unapproved tokens if you will. A lot of this stuff simply never has had specs as it has been internal to how companies work and their secret sauce.
The closest thing we have are governance and compliance policies due to legal/business needs requiring it so it's far more well documented than operational ones in how we work. It is more about the how versus the what here I guess is what I'm saying.
But yeah this is why it does great when there are tests, design systems, evals, and other artifacts to mirror. Far more reckless and unpredictable without these things, but still great for exploration and finding the data output you seek.
Ended up pointing Claude at a few sample files from our existing reporting, gave it read-only oauth access to the ERP and said “build a new report showing the cash by project as calculated by xxxx - yyyy + zzzz in the style of the existing reports” and it basically one-shot from there.
Kind of crazy and I built a bunch of redundant check-sums because I honestly didn’t think it would be able to replace like 6 workdays of effort for the 2 FTEs who generate that kind of thing manually every month but so far so good..
I’m not really interested in analysis of the weaknesses of such models because in my experience many weaknesses disappear entirely as models get stronger and reasoning effort is turned up. Especially if you tell them what you want them to do.
Also, it’s not surprising to learn that when more acceptance criteria are added the failure rate increases.
Even the best models have trouble adhering to stuff as mundane as rules for how to style generated code (indent this much, name things with these patterns, etc.). Even the most die-hard AI-first coder will admit to that kind of stuff being not unheard-of. Yet they still delude themselves into thinking that these models will follow a sufficiently detailed spec to the letter, every time.
[1]: https://medium.com/@vishvananda/i-spent-2-billion-tokens-wri...
I've only read the abstract of this one so far but it seems like this paper has zoomed in on programming with greater fidelity and shown a similar phenomenon. But not about long horizon tasks, more like "long style horizons" of larger sets of structural constraints.
[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.15597
Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48073246
The most incredible combo I've seen lately is progressive enhancement of Razor Pages with javascript. With this arrangement the newest models tend to make a really good call on if something should happen server-side (cshtml) or on the client (js).
If there's a second thing the generative AI tools have shown beyond any doubt it's that many of the more modern (relatively speaking) "best practices" that have always been over-hyped and questionably-evidenced really do tend to produce worse results. LLMs take these methods to their logical conclusions and show us the end result much sooner. You can't just iterate your way to a solution when you don't even know what problem you're trying to solve. If you don't have a clear spec then you don't know what a correct product looks like. You need to invest time in reviewing code properly. If you don't keep the big picture in mind then the big picture becomes a mess.
Maybe one day the LLMs will leave me out of a job but at least I'll feel validated first!
When using Codex/Claude Code with Go code I cannot count the times the agent does some change, runs a build to check for errors, find some and fix them.
https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html
"The Python runtime does not enforce function and variable type annotations. They can be used by third party tools such as type checkers, IDEs, linters, etc."
Which third-party enforcement mechanism do you propose become the default?
I have exactly the inverse findings on my end. The bigger and more legacy the codebase, the more accurate the patches become.
The harness itself seems to be the most important part. I use a recursive loop that primes the root context based on the user prompt each time. My agent will often make over 100 tool calls to sql and git before it finally decides to apply a patch. If I was greenfield, there would be nothing to query or constrain against.
I usually find I can achieve 90% of the outcome I'm trying to achieve. I use sonnet for planning, qwen for coding, sonnet for review.
gpt 5.2 is the strongest model they tested, a nearly 6 month old model.
Traditional research can not keep up.