This is Intel making a 24 core Neoverse N2 server on TSMC - not their ISA, not their core design, and not their fab
pclmulqdq 6 hours ago [-]
This isn't really a server. This is a NIC with some small cores to help handle management functions. The server you plug it into will have hundreds of x86 cores.
wmf 8 hours ago [-]
Barefoot was always on TSMC so why change now.
Palomides 8 hours ago [-]
the arm cores are absolutely the least interesting part of this thing, does it matter much if they're outsourced?
matt-p 9 hours ago [-]
Yep, it's only recently they've even properly started cranking out 10nm themselves. Pretty embarrassing. I wonder what future we have if everyone is just sat ontop of TSMC, not great.
wtallis 8 hours ago [-]
You must be using odd definitions for "properly" and "recently". Intel started volume shipments of 10nm-family parts for laptops in 2019, servers in 2021, and desktops in 2022. They've since moved most of their products off of the 10nm family and onto EUV-based processes: two generations of laptop parts, one generation of desktop parts, and the CPU chiplets of last year's server parts (which still use "Intel 7" for the IO chiplets).
Additionally, the second and third round of desktop parts released on 10nm (aka "Intel 7") are now known to have pushed clocks and voltages somewhat beyond the limits of the process, leading to embarrassing reliability problems and microcode updates that hurt performance. Intel has squeezed everything they can out of their 10nm and have mostly put it behind them, so talking about it like they only recently ramped production is totally wrong about where they are in the lifecycle.
aseipp 8 hours ago [-]
What? Intel has been doing large scale production runs of their 10nm node for years now. If you're talking about Raptor Lake failures, that was one generation of products on that note, there has also never been any indication AFAIK that e.g. Emerald Rapids suffered the same oxidization/voltage failures the consumer line did despite being on the same process node. They're already moving on from all this, really.
SecretDreams 7 hours ago [-]
This is some quite outdated/interesting hot takes.
colechristensen 9 hours ago [-]
Missteps happen but I have a feeling Intel's fab is going to be forced to be near the leading edge one way or another. The US government has plenty of levers to pull to manipulate the global semiconductor market.
It's quite interesting. Basically Nitro on a stick. For the "repatriation" crowd this seems appealing. But would you invest in the software necessary to exploit this, knowing that Intel could lose interest or just go bankrupt with little warning?
pwarner 6 hours ago [-]
Presumably all hyperscalers who aren't Amazon could be a customer for this?
One of them might be enough to keep it viable. See sibling comment on b Google being a customer for presumably the previous generation.
wmf 8 hours ago [-]
I wouldn't be surprised if Google buys the IP since they're the only customer.
pyvpx 7 hours ago [-]
How, though? Does the TPU team (literally or logically) map to owning IPU h/w successfully?
(I miss having these kinds of convos on twitter as networkservice ;)
pclmulqdq 6 hours ago [-]
There's a lot more silicon at Google aside from the TPU team, including their own previous NICs.
pyvpx 6 hours ago [-]
Not that my memory is ironclad, but I don’t recall any custom IP or even FPGA attempts at Google re: host networking or NICs. Any good search terms I should try to enlighten myself? thanks!
I believe they have other custom silicon beyond TPUs so it wouldn't be crazy to take this in house if Intel really cans it.
lenerdenator 8 hours ago [-]
I think at this point, it's clear that the US government will not let Intel go bankrupt without a serious effort to put the company in healthy financial standing first.
Whether or not that's a good thing, well, people have their opinions, but they're considered a national security necessity.
jiggawatts 7 hours ago [-]
That begs the question: how would one go about utilising this thing in their own deployment?
Presumably first hire a few developers to program it.
YesThatTom2 8 hours ago [-]
I hope their Linux code isn’t as out-dated and buggy as their IPMI system.
trebligdivad 9 hours ago [-]
The ability to connect to 4 hosts makes it seem like MRIOV all over again!
Still, it does look like a fun device from the 'big arm chip with lots of connectivity' side
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Additionally, the second and third round of desktop parts released on 10nm (aka "Intel 7") are now known to have pushed clocks and voltages somewhat beyond the limits of the process, leading to embarrassing reliability problems and microcode updates that hurt performance. Intel has squeezed everything they can out of their 10nm and have mostly put it behind them, so talking about it like they only recently ramped production is totally wrong about where they are in the lifecycle.
Color me confused
(I miss having these kinds of convos on twitter as networkservice ;)
https://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.c...
Whether or not that's a good thing, well, people have their opinions, but they're considered a national security necessity.