Washington state, as part of their frenzy of tax increases, decided that gold and silver bullion will be subject to the sales tax. Poof! There goes any point in investing in gold and silver. (Collector coins, too.)
laurencerowe 11 minutes ago [-]
That's a win for society if the money is instead invested into something productive!
WalterBright 7 minutes ago [-]
I never invested in gold because it is not productive. I don't have any money, either (other than pocket money), because I've invested all of it.
Gold is usually invested in as a hedge against inflation. It's not really the gold that goes up and down in value, it's the dollar that goes down and up.
fjordofnorway 1 minutes ago [-]
Given that the gold and the dollar are not productive I think one is betting that society is less productive than inflation when one invests in gold and that one will need to pay a ransom over a long weekend when one holds dollars.
SilverElfin 7 minutes ago [-]
Taxing bullion is absurd - it’s not a product but more like currency or a placeholder of money you already have. What other taxes are they passing when you say “frenzy”?
jfengel 2 minutes ago [-]
Why is it more like a currency than any other object? It's not negotiable currency or legal tender.
People buy it and sell it. I don't see any difference between bullion, iron ore, frozen concentrated orange juice, and Pokemon cards. You buy a thing, you pay the sales tax.
dmos62 1 minutes ago [-]
Is taxing investment absurd?
paxys 36 minutes ago [-]
This is the "dump" part of pump and dump. TikTok influencers have been pushing the gold & silver rally for weeks now, and it was inevitable that people at the top would eventually cash out.
onlyrealcuzzo 22 minutes ago [-]
Most of the influencers aren't even in on the investment, they just get paid to pump, and a lot of them don't even get paid, they just do it for the eye balls.
People want to get rich quick.
There's going to be a never ending list of people that will tell them how - just so they can get useless karma points on Social Media, even if they don't make any money, and just convince you to lose your money.
1970-01-01 16 minutes ago [-]
Too early to tell. They're both up since 6 months ago. Could be another one of those flash crash events. Buckle up!
IshKebab 12 minutes ago [-]
They're both up since like 8 days ago. This is one of those classic bullshit "dramatic change if you only look at today!!" stories.
constantcrying 17 minutes ago [-]
How financially illiterate do you have to believe that a few retail traders cashing out at means anything at all to the financial market?
int32_64 12 minutes ago [-]
Crypto markets won in the sense that every single asset class can somehow trade like a memecoin now.
ProjectArcturis 48 minutes ago [-]
This was an inevitable correction. Gold and silver had gone parabolic for the past month. Nothing goes straight up. This takes the gold price all the way back to where it was last week.
Honestly, I don't think Warsh's appointment had much to do with it.
trollski 46 minutes ago [-]
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daedrdev 11 minutes ago [-]
Silver has plenty of industrial uses. Very little has changed in industry to cause demand or supply shifts to match the massive price swings. Thus a lot of this is probably meme investors gambling
fdr 55 seconds ago [-]
Fun fact about silver, besides its heavy industrial footprint, which you mentioned: the supply is dominated by Mexico. There have been some, uh, erratic words about Mexico from the people in the position to affect trade policy and foreign policy.
pcurve 32 minutes ago [-]
We knew the correction was coming, but I don't think anyone expected the 30% move in one day.
geraldwhen 8 minutes ago [-]
Probably the opposite. Corrections happen quickly and all at once, somewhat similar to growth.
It would be more surprising if the 30% drop was spread out over a month.
WalterBright 16 minutes ago [-]
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition.
rolph 11 minutes ago [-]
maybe, but almost everyone will see the hot iron
tim333 4 minutes ago [-]
It still up an awful lot from the start of 2025. From about 30 up to 115 and down to 85.
seydor 39 minutes ago [-]
Wouldn't even say this is interesting
1970-01-01 12 minutes ago [-]
It's looks like a flash crash. Somewhat rare, and from an algorithm perspective it's interesting.
The Bunkers. My father told me the story many times as a child and he warned me sternly never to buy Silver. There's always more Silver he said. People will be dredging it out of old cupboards.
jmyeet 12 minutes ago [-]
This isn't a simple correction. I've been following this for a couple of months and there's a lot going on. I suspect this isn't over. It's noteworthy that the year 1980 because that was when the Hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market. It's often used as an example of the market correcting itself. It's actually a better example of how the exchanges broke the Hunt brothers to bail out the banks.
The key event that caused the collapse is sometimes called Silver Thursday [1]. The exchange changed the liquidity rules, forcing a margin call the Hunt brothers couldn't make, forcing a selloff. This was arguably to bail out banks with large short positions in silver.
Well, pretty much the exact same thing happened this week when COMEX massively increased the margin requirements [2]. It's worth noting that the market is in a state called "backwardation" where the spot prices are higher than future prices. Refiners aren't buying silver, even at the inflated spot price, because of price risk. But also, the COMEX spot price is increasingly being viewed as "fake" because foreign exchanges are paying significantly more for physical silver thna the paper COMEX price [3].
Basically, this whole thing looks like another GameStop ie a short squeeze. There's not enouugh physical silver to meet contract demands. There's like 300oz of futures silver contracts per 1oz of physical silver.
If you followed the original GameStop short squeeze, the price tumbled there too but didn't solve the short squeeze. You even have exchanges closing people's options positions (eg RobinHood) despite them being in the money.
Banks still need to cover their significant short positions and it really looks like the exchanges are trying to crash the silver market to do it.
While not unexpected, the numbers still say that if you bought silver before Trump (which given history of metals countering uncertainty and the promised causes of uncertainty was a smart move), you're making a solid > doubling even now. For me, though, who gets too anxious when trying to attempt such things and ends up ruining it, it'll just go on the list of regrets like when I thought to but didn't invest in zoom once we started using it in 2020.
Imustaskforhelp 15 minutes ago [-]
I knew that Silver prices were going all time high but I had still assumed that Silver (and to that extent Gold) were stable.
Looks like atleast for Silver, that gets completely thrown out of the window now for some time.
I also thought Gold was a safe haven but I checked and it seems that it lost (10%?)-ish as well.
I have some complex thoughts and reasonings but I really liked Gold as an idea but looks like it is vulnerable to volatility at times too.
I used to think that maybe banks can have gold itself and gold usually does or ~ equal to inflation itself rise and I mean theoretically net I think even this year it does definitely beat Inflation (I mean it grew double I guess in 1 year) but for banking concerns especially supposing someone got money this time and let's hypothetically assume they get into this gold bank, then its still volatile & they could've lost 10% and then tried to withdraw money and more short squeeze so the idea has a major flaw after this incident.
I wonder how swiss franc is doing. I looked at it and it looks like its doing fine (1% down but I do feel like that's really okay) given how Swiss franc (seeing another cnbc article or yahoo finance ig) grew what 13-14%
Although the problem with people holding swiss franc is that when I searched swiss franc I found this article (from CNBC itself) which actually shows how a strong swiss franc might be/is bad for swiss economy
I do wonder, then what's the ideal solution of "safety"
I am scratching a lot of options now & I am either thinking US inflation protected assets or World Equity are the only two stable/(really valuable) because the whole essense of value behind gold/silver was its stability which especially for silver feels broken but gold isn't that far behind either.
Although atleast in my original context of banking, I later came to know about the concept of narrow banking and how there was a bank which actually wanted to invest in TIPS itself but that was blocked off by the feds for many reason.
I do feel like TIPS might protect inflation protection but they don't really protect the erosion of wealth because I feel like (I am not sure I can be wrong I usually am) but the pricing of houses and other assets are rising higher than inflation rises & inflation itself can vary depending (so housing rent inflation might be higher) & depending on your lifestyle. Maybe TIPS really wouldn't be able to help you to say.. save to get house or really have you give the ability for money to do what it actually does. To me the idea of inflation includes buying houses too so if say someone with some salary was able to buy a house 20 years ago then imo when I consider inflation protection or investing or anything in general, I expect that my wealth could be able to buy me things ~generally at a good amount & that's the point of good investing to get good returns at understandable/ your own risk profile.
I guess now I am personally more inclined towards world index funds in general I guess as a form of real stability where value gains are still backed by real gains (Something which I feel is core philosophy of the bogle philosphy & the reason why people should invest in first place)
I may have gotten a bit off topic here but coming on the point again here about Silver.
Would this be considered as (expected?) or is it a black swan event especially considering the 30% fall off.
From the headline, it feels like a black swan event (especially when they compare it to 1980's) but I am curious to know what others think too. I do feel like these black swan events really shift how we think tho & we can have it in our better judgement for future ig imo.
empiricus 49 minutes ago [-]
This looks like an IQ test, but for who?
Ekaros 44 minutes ago [-]
For those on wrong side of options contracts expiring? I would guess that this is paper silver being manipulated.
unsupp0rted 39 minutes ago [-]
Indeed. There’s a large delta between paper silver and Shanghai physical silver prices right now.
ProjectArcturis 34 minutes ago [-]
China only has one silver fund (SLV equivalent), and it stopped creating new shares. So the existing shares trade at a large premium to the value of the underlying metal. Is that the "Shanghai physical" price you're talking about?
> Most of Trump's voters are retail gold and silver investors
I think you meant "most retail gold and silver investors are Trump voters".
nikolay 20 minutes ago [-]
I have a good enough sample of both Democrat and Republican friends; all my Republican friends have invested mostly in gold, and I haven't discussed silver with anyone, yet none of my Democrat friends have invested in precious metals... or maybe they just don't talk about it.
KK7NIL 7 minutes ago [-]
Wow, you really don't realize that your friend group is extremely biased to people with maxed out 401k's and more money than they know what do, do you?
Meanwhile, between 60 and 77% of Americans report living paycheck to paycheck.
Sure seems unlikely that your claim that most Trump voters trade commodities is even remotely close to true.
nikolay 5 minutes ago [-]
Well, of course, we only discuss people who not only want to invest in precious metals, but can also afford it.
cosmicgadget 30 minutes ago [-]
Nah, you don't have to vote for him to realize that his presidency will be marked by volatility and a declining USD.
Plus in a couple years he will announce that the Washington Monument will be torn down and replaced with a solid gold statue of himself, creating yuge demand.
joezydeco 23 minutes ago [-]
Not a Trump voter, I bought gold last spring when Trump started trying to fuck with the Federal Reserve. I figured the dollar was going to be toast, and it paid off for now.
TrainedMonkey 47 minutes ago [-]
> But an "asset" to lose 30% of its value in a day... Wow!
When prices are determined by speculation it do be do like that.
nikolay 4 minutes ago [-]
You think Apple's stock isn't also driven by speculation, just like any other stock?
NoMoreNicksLeft 33 minutes ago [-]
I bought back when it was pre-$15/oz. Though, for awhile it was fun to think I had $100,000 in my floor safe. But it's not a speculative investment, that's my "bribe my family's way out of the country" money.
If anything, I hope it falls low again, I haven't been buying any junk silver the last few years and I should have been doing that.
recursivedoubts 29 minutes ago [-]
Strongly recommend not discussing specific amounts and locations online
therouwboat 22 minutes ago [-]
People who buy gold are strangely careless, I have workmate who has bought gold with his savings and probably everyone who has spend more than 5 minutes in his presence knows about it.
nikolay 18 minutes ago [-]
Aren't Bitcoin (similar mindset) people the same way?
rolph 3 minutes ago [-]
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trollski 46 minutes ago [-]
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Gold is usually invested in as a hedge against inflation. It's not really the gold that goes up and down in value, it's the dollar that goes down and up.
People buy it and sell it. I don't see any difference between bullion, iron ore, frozen concentrated orange juice, and Pokemon cards. You buy a thing, you pay the sales tax.
People want to get rich quick.
There's going to be a never ending list of people that will tell them how - just so they can get useless karma points on Social Media, even if they don't make any money, and just convince you to lose your money.
Honestly, I don't think Warsh's appointment had much to do with it.
It would be more surprising if the 30% drop was spread out over a month.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_crash
The key event that caused the collapse is sometimes called Silver Thursday [1]. The exchange changed the liquidity rules, forcing a margin call the Hunt brothers couldn't make, forcing a selloff. This was arguably to bail out banks with large short positions in silver.
Well, pretty much the exact same thing happened this week when COMEX massively increased the margin requirements [2]. It's worth noting that the market is in a state called "backwardation" where the spot prices are higher than future prices. Refiners aren't buying silver, even at the inflated spot price, because of price risk. But also, the COMEX spot price is increasingly being viewed as "fake" because foreign exchanges are paying significantly more for physical silver thna the paper COMEX price [3].
Basically, this whole thing looks like another GameStop ie a short squeeze. There's not enouugh physical silver to meet contract demands. There's like 300oz of futures silver contracts per 1oz of physical silver.
If you followed the original GameStop short squeeze, the price tumbled there too but didn't solve the short squeeze. You even have exchanges closing people's options positions (eg RobinHood) despite them being in the money.
Banks still need to cover their significant short positions and it really looks like the exchanges are trying to crash the silver market to do it.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday
[2]: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-28/cme-raise...
[3]: https://seekingalpha.com/article/4861917-why-silver-prices-i...
Looks like atleast for Silver, that gets completely thrown out of the window now for some time.
I also thought Gold was a safe haven but I checked and it seems that it lost (10%?)-ish as well.
I have some complex thoughts and reasonings but I really liked Gold as an idea but looks like it is vulnerable to volatility at times too.
I used to think that maybe banks can have gold itself and gold usually does or ~ equal to inflation itself rise and I mean theoretically net I think even this year it does definitely beat Inflation (I mean it grew double I guess in 1 year) but for banking concerns especially supposing someone got money this time and let's hypothetically assume they get into this gold bank, then its still volatile & they could've lost 10% and then tried to withdraw money and more short squeeze so the idea has a major flaw after this incident.
I wonder how swiss franc is doing. I looked at it and it looks like its doing fine (1% down but I do feel like that's really okay) given how Swiss franc (seeing another cnbc article or yahoo finance ig) grew what 13-14%
Although the problem with people holding swiss franc is that when I searched swiss franc I found this article (from CNBC itself) which actually shows how a strong swiss franc might be/is bad for swiss economy
https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/28/swiss-franc-us-dollar-price-...
I do wonder, then what's the ideal solution of "safety"
I am scratching a lot of options now & I am either thinking US inflation protected assets or World Equity are the only two stable/(really valuable) because the whole essense of value behind gold/silver was its stability which especially for silver feels broken but gold isn't that far behind either.
Although atleast in my original context of banking, I later came to know about the concept of narrow banking and how there was a bank which actually wanted to invest in TIPS itself but that was blocked off by the feds for many reason.
I do feel like TIPS might protect inflation protection but they don't really protect the erosion of wealth because I feel like (I am not sure I can be wrong I usually am) but the pricing of houses and other assets are rising higher than inflation rises & inflation itself can vary depending (so housing rent inflation might be higher) & depending on your lifestyle. Maybe TIPS really wouldn't be able to help you to say.. save to get house or really have you give the ability for money to do what it actually does. To me the idea of inflation includes buying houses too so if say someone with some salary was able to buy a house 20 years ago then imo when I consider inflation protection or investing or anything in general, I expect that my wealth could be able to buy me things ~generally at a good amount & that's the point of good investing to get good returns at understandable/ your own risk profile.
I guess now I am personally more inclined towards world index funds in general I guess as a form of real stability where value gains are still backed by real gains (Something which I feel is core philosophy of the bogle philosphy & the reason why people should invest in first place)
I may have gotten a bit off topic here but coming on the point again here about Silver.
Would this be considered as (expected?) or is it a black swan event especially considering the 30% fall off.
From the headline, it feels like a black swan event (especially when they compare it to 1980's) but I am curious to know what others think too. I do feel like these black swan events really shift how we think tho & we can have it in our better judgement for future ig imo.
I think you meant "most retail gold and silver investors are Trump voters".
Meanwhile, between 60 and 77% of Americans report living paycheck to paycheck. Sure seems unlikely that your claim that most Trump voters trade commodities is even remotely close to true.
Plus in a couple years he will announce that the Washington Monument will be torn down and replaced with a solid gold statue of himself, creating yuge demand.
When prices are determined by speculation it do be do like that.
If anything, I hope it falls low again, I haven't been buying any junk silver the last few years and I should have been doing that.