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Testing Ads in ChatGPT (openai.com)
mbb70 16 minutes ago [-]
Ads are a ratchet that only tighten in one direction. Once the paychecks of 1000s of motivated, intelligent OpenAI employees depend on ad revenue increasing, the only option is to make them more invasive, more prevalent, more annoying, more data hungry etc.
jsheard 7 minutes ago [-]
You only have to look at Google Search to see how this plays out. Their ads were also clearly distinguished from the organic content, until they weren't.
2OEH8eoCRo0 5 minutes ago [-]
I honestly don't mind unobtrusive ads that are not in the main content stream. I understand people need to make a living. With that said the ratchet analogy is correct. The ads will eventually become mixed with the LLM output I can almost guarantee it.
simianwords 14 minutes ago [-]
why do you feel so? what causes people to not use a competitor?
badsectoracula 9 minutes ago [-]
The competitor also having ads.

I know Anthropic made these ads about not having ads but Apple also made ads about thinking different, yet once they became successful they ended up thinking the same as every other business.

And once upon a time, Google did not do evil.

simianwords 8 minutes ago [-]
just go to openrouter and there are openweight models hosted by independent providers. why would all of them choose ads?
Someone1234 6 minutes ago [-]
Then OpenRouter has ads, and the models hosted by third-parties have an ad/ad-free tier (heck, even ads injected into the query response stream).
simianwords 31 seconds ago [-]
this is motivated reasoning. the models are openweight and anyone can host them. why would every hosting company use ads? lets be a bit sensible.
draxil 11 minutes ago [-]
We've seen this process before. If you don't pay, you are the product.
Someone1234 9 minutes ago [-]
But people ARE paying and still getting ads in this move.

Their Go plan, which is paid, is getting ads.

simianwords 4 minutes ago [-]
There exists no (or very few) subscription service that has no tier without advertisements. You are panicking for no reason.

Netflix?

Hulu?

Youtube?

Spotify?

Adobe?

Duolingo?

X?

tempest_ 12 minutes ago [-]
Once one competitor sees the ratchet turn they will follow suit.
marginalia_nu 8 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, once competitors investors see OpenAI making a profit, and competitors not, they ask why.
simianwords 11 minutes ago [-]
this won't work because there are way too many open weight alternatives that are run independently - just go to openrouter.
cced 13 minutes ago [-]
Competitors use ads?
tommica 6 minutes ago [-]
I'm "excited" for the era of different locally run LLMs get to have ads baked into them... People start selling ad-space to inject into their training/tuning data. Could be quite lucrative.
runjake 10 minutes ago [-]
Not yet. But they likely will, if OpenAI's ad revenue becomes worthwhile.
tyre 4 minutes ago [-]
Or they view it as a differentiator and focus on a different segment. As I understand it, this is what Anthropic is doing:

1. Focus on businesses and developers

2. Make money on productivity and API platform

Enterprises are particularly sensitive about their data being farmed (e.g. note that paid Google accounts don’t have their emails used for ads.)

Keeping that trust is not a differentiator and existentially important to Anthropic.

simianwords 12 minutes ago [-]
no they don't
eknkc 7 minutes ago [-]
They will or they will perform worse. OpenAI will be able to offer a better `free tier` as it won't be free after all.
Someone1234 11 minutes ago [-]
Not yet, but they all will. OpenAI has shown that customers will accept it.
PopePompus 1 minutes ago [-]
This probably signals the beginning of the end for OpenAI. Eventually all of the AI chatbots will have Ads at least on the free and low-cost tiers. But there's a strong incentive not to begin enshitification until the number of competitors has dwindled, and an oligarchy has been established. Google, Meta et al. can afford to lose money on AI for a long time, because they have real revenue from other business products; they can stay Ad free until the small-fry go bust.
mrweasel 16 minutes ago [-]
How long will it take for those ads to move from the bottom of the page to the top? How long until the borders between answers and ads starts to blur?

I get that OpenAI has to do something, but really, all those promises, try to convince everyone that ChatGPT will revolutionise everything and the best monetization plan is ads.... Again?

c7b 6 minutes ago [-]
> and the best monetization plans is ads.... Again?

Several of the biggest companies today are fueled by ads, and OpenAI has the perfect ad vehicle. What else were you expecting?

That's why local LLMs are important, and to preserve the current open weight models, because those are likely still untainted by ads. It won't be long until ad recommendations are directly baked into the weights of open models.

wtfHN26 4 minutes ago [-]
It's sad that OpenAI talking about developing AGI.

But the only revenue model that they still can come up with is Ads.

For all the advancement we have made in technology from the 90s web, social networks, mobile apps, ,AI Chat bots - the business model that almost all of them will eventually resort to is Ads.

We need some new breakthroughs in monetization side of things.

ajbt200128 2 minutes ago [-]
> we decide which ad to show by matching ads submitted by advertisers with the topic of your conversation, your past chats, and past interactions with ads. > [...] > Advertisers do not have access to your chats, chat history, memories, or personal details.

Going to hazard a guess that OpenAI is using LLMs to read convos and decide which ads you should see? Hopefully that's isolated and locked down. I can easily see that machinery turning from "what ad should we show this user" to "is this user doing something bad/a protected class etc.". Also terrifying to think that it may be the advertisers asking the questions to decide what ads to show...

Gehinnn 12 minutes ago [-]
The ads in Google also started like this. (However, to my knowledge, there is no way I can pay Google to get the ads in my search removed)
wtfHN26 32 seconds ago [-]
IIRC many OTT streaming players found that they can make more money from Ads than they can from subscription alone.

So paying for a service alone doesn't ensure that you are not going to see Ads.

Once they have exhausted their potential market of paying users, almost every service will eventually resort to Ads.

changoplatanero 10 minutes ago [-]
you can at least pay them to get the ads removed from youtube
tyre 7 minutes ago [-]
It’s difficult to believe that they’ll keep privacy guarantees. Some of the most valuable types of targeting are lookalike audiences or following up from other ads elsewhere.

How would OAI allow them to target without access to de-anonymized data?

Buyers will want to exclude existing customers, which requires the same.

The product managers will have explicit KPIs tied to conversion. At some point, like at Google, this will break. It has to or OAI can’t grow into its current valuation, let alone any future one.

written-beyond 11 minutes ago [-]
I have a question though, if they don't have access to chats but they find out the enchilada ad was performing the best, something like this can provide enough information to be used to know about peoples private chats. When someone clicks on an ad you collect a fingerprint, then add more ads and fingerprint more and get a stronger picture about the individuals private chats in chatgpt.

If I were a large donor to a state that was interested in increasing action against abortion, I could hypothetically start running ads targeting people looking to get an abortion with a service that either provides assistance or other means parallel to assistance. If I target that state chatgpt would automatically match my ads to those individuals and I'd have my data. I could increase my donations to target and cull whatever little options those people have left.

999900000999 13 minutes ago [-]
I was at the bar when Claude's answer to this came on. One of my mates was absolutely confused as to what Claude was.

They assumed it was an an ad for a dating app or something. I had to explain it was an ad specifically targeted at maybe the 5% of people who work in software.

Honestly... I don't mind ads. For example, I make music as my main hobby. I actually enjoy getting advertisements for VSTs( virtual software instruments) and various pieces of gear.

I have no problem with Open AI showing relevant ads. Ain't nothing free

14 minutes ago [-]
fhd2 16 minutes ago [-]
> Ads do not influence the answers ChatGPT gives you.

I wonder if this is a don't-break-product-value thing, or just compliance (ads need to be clearly labeled, but OpenAI seems like it has the risk appetite to ignore that kind of thing).

imron 6 minutes ago [-]
It’s a boil the frog thing.
simianwords 15 minutes ago [-]
its a trust thing because the market they operate in is tight - no reason to quickly move to the next option.

i personally would never touch chatgpt if i knew the answers were biased for certain companies.

titaniumrain 18 minutes ago [-]
switching to gemini right now... this is insane! why should i pay openai to get unsolicited ads?!
Fernicia 15 minutes ago [-]
The only paid subscription getting ads is the one they created last week which is less than 50% of any other SOTA AI subscription on the market. Normal Pro users aren't getting ads.
timpera 13 minutes ago [-]
The Gemini experience is quite inferior right now unfortunately.
jsheard 13 minutes ago [-]
Do you really think an AI model provided by Google is never going to have ads?
YetAnotherNick 8 minutes ago [-]
I would be surprised if any major AI companies could sustain free plan for more than a year or two once it becomes popular. Claude can do it for now because the ratio of paying users is higher as it is popular among more niche audience.
riazrizvi 9 minutes ago [-]
I wonder if OpenAI will be able to use their gen 2 user-observation-adaption platform to actually improve ads?

This could be one of those product afterthoughts that end up being the big company move, like when Apple did the Iphone and then added the AppStore afterwards.

kachapopopow 20 minutes ago [-]
so perfectly personalized ads? the CPM on this is probably wild (for openai).
FuturisticLover 16 minutes ago [-]
While the general census will be largely negative, it good for advertisers, i guess.
vinyl7 7 minutes ago [-]
Kinda sad that in 3 decades into the tech industry the only viable business model is to build a moat and then sell ads
simianwords 7 minutes ago [-]
People are missing another point - API's are never going to show ads. So even in the worst case where every competitor is showing ads, you could get ad free experience by paying a metered billing rate. Which is not so big a deal?
railgunmerlin 19 minutes ago [-]
Have to wonder if the IPO push for this year is genuine now
lampe3 20 minutes ago [-]
I Am Shocked, I Am Shocked, Well Not That Shocked.
Jimmc414 14 minutes ago [-]
"The test will be for logged-in adult users on the Free and Go subscription tiers. Plus, Pro, Business, Enterprise, and Education tiers will not have ads."
yjftsjthsd-h 12 minutes ago [-]
In case anyone else wanted to know - https://chatgpt.com/pricing

Free - $0

Go - $8 USD/month

Plus - $20 USD/month

Pro - $200 USD/month

badsectoracula 6 minutes ago [-]
> Go - $8 USD/month

So, you pay and get ads :-P

mizuki_akiyama 16 minutes ago [-]
It was gonna happen eventually.
wilg 8 minutes ago [-]
Ben Thompson has long been insistent that ChatGPT and other AI tools basically have to have ads and it's been a big mistake they didn't have them sooner. It's an interesting take:

> What I think is clear is they have to build an advertising product, and the reason they have to build an advertising product is any consumer Internet product has to be advertising, because it’s such a beneficial model to everyone involved, and the reason it’s so beneficial is you get to indefinitely and infinitely increase average revenue per user without any worries about price elasticity, because the entire increase in average revenue per user is borne by the advertisers who are paying it willingly because they’re getting a positive return on their investment, and everyone’s using it for free so you can reach the whole world. Then what happens with that is once you get that model going, you have a massive R&D advantage, because you have so much more money coming in than anyone who doesn’t have that cycle or who has to charge users for it.

https://stratechery.com/2026/ads-in-chatgpt-why-openai-needs...

> This point, more than anything else, explains why the company so desperately needs an advertising model. Advertising is the only potential business model that can meaningfully bend the revenue curve such that the company can not just fund its compute but gain leverage on it, for all of the reasons I laid out before: first, advertising increases the breadth of the business, in that you can offer a better product to more people, increasing usage and expanding inventory. Second, advertising increases the depth of the business, in that there is infinite upside in terms of average revenue per user: more usage means more inventory on one hand, and building out the capability for effective targeting and high conversion rates increases the amount that advertisers are willing to pay — even as the cost to the user remains the same (ideally free).

It's valuable to remember that advertisers will pay more per user than users will, and that's hard to beat in a competitive market.

Also, it's fascinating how much people _like_ ads when done properly. Ask normal people about Instagram ads, for example. They find them useful!

janpot 18 minutes ago [-]
Dont't be evil, etc... we've seen it all before. Eventually ads will be hidden in the answers, it's just a matter of time, enshittification ensues eventually.

God, how stupid do they think we are?

tibbar 16 minutes ago [-]
I mean, yeah, probably, but also OpenAI literally can't afford to give away this for free. They are losing a lot of money. Open source AI will continue to be a thing and they will have to compete to give you something better than what you can do yourself.

OpenAI is far from the stage of "grinding out more and more profits for investors." It's more like the stage of "most serious observers doubt that it can continue as a going concern"

belter 9 minutes ago [-]
Folks ...were promised AGI and end up with a GenAi porn Reddit...
bun_at_work 9 minutes ago [-]
Nope. I'm out. I might still use the API, but the monthly subscription is already gone and I'm on to Claude.
jLaForest 22 minutes ago [-]
>Plus, Pro, Business, Enterprise, and Education tiers will not have ads.

For now, or for ever?

mjamesaustin 21 minutes ago [-]
Until users are sufficiently locked in and they decide to start tightening the screws.
simianwords 19 minutes ago [-]
how will lockin happen? just use claude or something
Someone1234 17 minutes ago [-]
For now; Plus has already had ad-like things appear below new chats.

What they'll do is present it as a "choice." Keep paying what we're paying but have ads, or pay triple for ad-free. For example, see every streaming service.

Unfortunately people, in particularly this community, would be looking at Local LLMs for ad free alternatives, but prices on GPUs/RAM have skyrocketed keeping us trapped.

Kye 11 minutes ago [-]
Try this in ChatGPT: "So ChatGPT is getting ads. The Google guys wrote _the_ paper explaining why ads in search are a bad idea, and Google set about demonstrating it. How can ChatGPT avoid the same fate with all the same incentives?"
iamleppert 17 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic was absolutely right!
timpera 11 minutes ago [-]
OpenAI had already announced that ads were coming to ChatGPT. Also, Claude's free plan is incredibly limited and far less popular, so it's easier for them to keep it ad-free.
operatingthetan 11 minutes ago [-]
This has been in the discourse for a while, they didn't make a shot in the dark.
abraxas 10 minutes ago [-]
I see what you did there.
base698 21 minutes ago [-]
BETRAYAL
pelagicAustral 20 minutes ago [-]
You're absolutely right.
11 minutes ago [-]
hmate9 13 minutes ago [-]
I hate ads too but whats the outrage? Did people expect it to be free forever? Everything else has ads. youtube, instagram, x, google etc. etc.
liuliu 6 minutes ago [-]
I agree. It is either ads, or Anthropic way (which is: you are too poor to use our ChatBot). There is no other way to pay the > $1 trillion per year CapEx for building these chat bots.

Would there be other way? Sure, it could be government-funded, like our public school system. But it is not possible in current political climate.

Money doesn't grow on trees, and tokens cost a lot of money. There will be divide into people who can afford these tokens and people who cannot. I feel it is better to have ways to let people who cannot afford these tokens to have some ways to try it.

jelder 12 minutes ago [-]
You can't trust a product that uses ads, because then you are the product.
Someone1234 12 minutes ago [-]
This impacts a non-free plan; their $8/month plan now has ads too.
rvz 19 minutes ago [-]
> What will always remain true: ChatGPT’s answers remain independent and unbiased, conversations stay private, and people keep meaningful control over their experience.

Translation: They will very slowly abandon their 'principles', just like they did with the moment they took investment from Microsoft and the VCs.

This is how ChatGPT gets destroyed and 'ensh*ttified' for everyone. The same people who jumped ship from Meta and destroyed Facebook, Instagram, and soon Threads are also the same people that are about apply the same recipe on to ChatGPT at OpenAI.

The researchers that were there pre-ChatGPT are now being replaced by opportunist grifters that will ruin the product overrun by ads once again. It would be no-different to Google Ads.

Now we need ad-blockers for LLMs to be in place "for the benefit of humanity".

21 minutes ago [-]
simianwords 17 minutes ago [-]
I feel like people just ignore market forces and what causes certain companies to pursue strategies. The reason for Ads is not some thing like greed, but rather get more people to use ChatGPT which can help with economies of scale, brand recognition, training data.
badsectoracula 5 minutes ago [-]
> The reason for Ads is not some thing like greed, but rather get more people to use ChatGPT

How is adding ads will get more people to use ChatGPT?

simianwords 3 minutes ago [-]
ChatGPT is the only LLM provider with the most extensive free usage program - this is only sustainable with ads.

Same reason youtube is popular. Do you think it could have gotten to where it is now by gatekeeping it behind a payment?

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