@ozzyphantom: You might consider being more specific about your grievances in the text of your countdown page. As it stands, it's a bit vague, describing the keyboard as "broken" and autocorrect as "nearly useless". Sure, the video you link to is more descriptive, but it's a lot to ask of a visitor to click through and watch a separate video.
As for the underlying issue, I have experienced similar typing issues on my iPhone in recent months. It feels like someone changed the keyboard to optimize for some typing behavior that doesn't match my own, so the "optimizations" work against me. It's reminiscent of when the US Air Force redesigned their cockpits to match pilots' average measurements, only to discover that using averages just made the cockpits bad for everybody.[1]
It turns out he posted a better example in his blog post about it - https://thismightnotmatter.com/a-little-website-i-made-for-a... - which is technically linked to in the bottom of the site. I guess if you spend your life learning UX from Apple this is what you get...
srmatto 3 hours ago [-]
The recent changes to the iOS keyboard and text editing in general have been very counter productive for me as well. Tap to select doesn't really work the same way anymore and the logic of it isn't clear to me which makes it unpredictable. Typing accurately itself has gotten really difficult. I used to be a pretty quick typist on the iOS keyboard but now I find myself looking for my Mac to send a message from there or using voice to text more.
Folks can thumb their noses at Reddit but the top comment in every post about iOS updates since 26.0 was released is some variation of "fix the keyboard." The problem seems very real for a lot of users.
longfacehorrace 25 minutes ago [-]
It's not just the keyboard. My iPhone 15 is often so unresponsive I am tapping twice as much.
Example but the issue not limited to web browsing; Safari will do nothing, I tap again, it does the thing, then it does the thing again due to the second tap. I have to tap back to get to where I really wanted to go.
raylad 2 hours ago [-]
Also why did they get rid of select all? Is there any excuse for that?
bobbylarrybobby 2 hours ago [-]
Select all always appears if you have no text selected and never appears if you have some text selected. Insane UI decision by apple but that's how it is.
hbn 7 minutes ago [-]
In editable text fields you can tap a word a few times and it'll select the whole paragraph, if that's any help.
What drives me insane though, is double tapping a word is supposed to select that word. But I think starting in iOS 18 it started selecting the word and a random amount of surrounding words, but only about half the time. I couldn't tell you what it could possibly be trying to do but it's maddening.
thehappyfellow 1 hours ago [-]
Which means you can't select all on text which isn't editable - insane!
leptons 10 minutes ago [-]
It honestly doesn't surprise me. Apple is not some bastion of good design. They are mediocre at best, always have been.
It was pretty hilarious to me that for so many years the keyboard on iOS only had CAPITAL letters. No matter the state of the shift key, the letters on the keyboard just stayed the same. After many years they finally figured it out, but it's one example of many about how Apple just doesn't have the great UX people claim they do.
DamnInteresting 2 hours ago [-]
It's still there, it's just difficult to know when it will appear. Sometimes it takes one more tap than expected, or sometimes one must deselect a word and tap again, or change focus away and back again. Very sloppy UI.
filoleg 2 hours ago [-]
Yeah, it is still there, and there is a pretty clear cut logic for when it will appear.
If you tap while a word is selected, it won’t appear. If you tap on the cursor while a word isn’t selected, it will appear.
DamnInteresting 2 hours ago [-]
If by "clear cut logic" you mean a consistent process, then sure. But if you mean intuitive, I must disagree.
microtonal 14 minutes ago [-]
Especially because it was working fine and understandable in older iOS versions.
Also for some reason autocorrect seems to have gotten a lot worse. It has become nearly impossible to type a grocery list without all kinds of annoying wrong corrections.
jorl17 57 minutes ago [-]
YES. WHY?! GOD WHY!?!!?!?!?! I'M GOING INSANE!!
mrmuagi 37 minutes ago [-]
Autocorrect not getting simple character substitutions is beyond frustrating.
hypercube33 2 hours ago [-]
It's not just apple - windows and android autocorrect are more auto incorrect these days.
isodev 15 minutes ago [-]
One can also see it like: The grievance is apparent to every iOS user who has used pre-iOS 18 keyboards or any of the major Android keyboards.
It’s also not just one problem, autocorrect and the keyboard combined make for at least a dozen seemly different defects
nunez 25 minutes ago [-]
I have autocorrext turned off on my keyboard and typed this without any corrections. These sre the issues i've faced with the stock keyboard:
- accidental periods when typing URLs in Safari
- key target inaccuracy (though turning off swipe-to-tect gas ikproved this a little, though not enough)
- key latnecy which causes letters innsome words to get swapped or extra unwated letters to appear (this could be a me-getting-older prblem, howeverg
- autocorrect suggesting words that I've never typed before (I turned on autocorrect for this list item to make sure i gave it a fair shake; it didn't suggest anything crazy this time, but the number of times it has in the past has led me to turning it off, even after iOS 18 wherein the keyboard supposedly used a small language model to improve suggestions)
I also type longform on my phone sometimes; the keyboard makes this much more exhausting than it needs to be.
chmod775 9 minutes ago [-]
The YT video they linked is excessively clear about what the issue is. There's no point in explaining it again.
> Sure, the video you link to is more descriptive, but it's a lot to ask of a visitor to click through and watch a separate video.
LollipopYakuza 3 hours ago [-]
I understand your point, but for an issue that's been addressed so many times, it doesn't sound necessary to get into details. The issue doesn't seem to be that Apple doesn't know but that they don't care.
However, if I, as the author cared to justify that "it's not only me", I would have listed more posts and feedback. I feel like I have read at least 4 times about the broken keyboard, it should not be hard to find a few other links.
DamnInteresting 2 hours ago [-]
Well, presumably the page's intended audience is software developers at Apple. As a software developer myself, I am all too familiar with the unnecessary churn caused by vague bug reports. It saves time when people include details like error messages (when applicable), steps to replicate, expected result vs. actual result, etc.
Besides, users and developers don't always use software the same way, have the same settings, follow the same forums.
Someone1234 2 hours ago [-]
It does make me wonder if Apple's own employees actually dog-food iOS day-to-day.
It just seems like, you could stop any iPhone user in the street and ask them "How do you find the keyboard?" And get a consistently negative response, but yet nobody within Apple seemingly has noticed for YEARS.
Everyone says iOS 26 did it, but I strongly disagree, I disabled most options in General -> Keyboard like three major iOS versions ago, and moved to Swiftkey* in iOS 18 (although iOS keeps changing my keyboard preferences back to the default).
*SwiftKey is also a shit-show with the "Your Tap Map" crap you cannot disable, where it moves the keys and makes the thing inconsistent. Just goes to show how bad Apple's keyboard is, when I'll put up with it.
bombcar 1 hours ago [-]
It's so bad that I have to assume that Cupertino is filled with people who "hold the phone differently" and tap with their long fingernails or the very tip of their fingers or something.
I'm always mistyping and I don't know how to fix it to do what they want.
thaumasiotes 7 minutes ago [-]
> It's so bad that I have to assume that Cupertino is filled with people who "hold the phone differently" and tap with their long fingernails or the very tip of their fingers or something.
Fingernails won't trigger a touchscreen. They do matter, though - as your fingernails get longer, you're forced to tap the phone with the side of your fingertip (so the nail doesn't block you) instead of the front.
zem 1 hours ago [-]
if my experiences at google are any indication, when it comes to "regular user" facing features management pays very little attention to negative feedback from the engineers. it always seems to be assumed that we are atypical in our dislike for things.
jannyfer 42 minutes ago [-]
I’ve noticed since iOS 7-ish that some sliding animations have such a long tail-end easing of the animation that it blocks the touch input of the user. Like if you accidentally scroll to the side instead of down, you have to let go and wait for the side scroll to completely stop.
Then I watched Tim Cook have trouble with tapping the screen multiple times for one action at one of the older WWDCs pre-COVID.
I felt validated and exasperated. Does Tim just put up with this?
pegasus 1 hours ago [-]
They must be, I can't imagine they're all on Android. I'm on iOS and didn't know there was an issue with the keyboard. Maybe it's because I've not tried out any competing ones or maybe because I don't type that much on the phone generally.
jama211 58 minutes ago [-]
I think the keyboard is fine. A few small issues here and there but in general I can type quickly and accurately. I must be lucky though, perhaps my typing style is what apple expects.
gwbas1c 16 minutes ago [-]
I think the point is that the keyboard is so broken the problems should be obvious to the people who work on the iPhone.
graemep 38 minutes ago [-]
Why not install an different keyboard app?
yeah879846 1 hours ago [-]
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BinStorm 3 hours ago [-]
I love the fervor with which this is written, but the threat is so weak I literally chuckled.
Imagine your an exec or manager on the team for keyboard development. You read this, get to the end to discover the user is gonna switch devices for... 2 whole calander years?
What's that amount to? Maybe 2 device upgrades on If your a die hard gotta have the newest latest model phone each year. Then what? you'll be back?
The threat doesnt even carry the weight losing a user for a 2 year blip, registers more as a dropped ping request then a drop in revenue.
If meant to be whimsical sure nailed it. To be fair I mean any boycot with a large scale mfg carries about the same weight. just thought it fell flat as much as anything.
nathantotten 3 hours ago [-]
I think this is the wrong read on the “threat”. One user going out of their way to spent time writing this post is a canary in the coal mine. Most users never give feedback, they just churn. This is the same reason your toothpaste has a phone number on the back - that one random person who cares deeply calls the number and provides invaluable feedback on the product.
It’s not about the one person, it’s about that person representing tens/hundreds/thousands of customers. This feedback is a gift to a product manager that listens.
dqv 2 hours ago [-]
It's one of the downsides of having dedicated and fervent fans. They obfuscate problems regular users are having by drowning them out with praise for Apple.
During my last weeks on the iPhone, I reached out to various Apple discussion spaces on the web for help with some problems I was having.
I was met not with assistance, but ridicule. The majority of the people "helping" were saying some variation of "you're holding it wrong" or "I personally don't have that problem" (which is such a funny quirk of the Apple fandom - I didn't ask if you are having that problem, I'm asking for help achieving a specific outcome).
You can even see examples of this sort of behavior in that post about the window resize handles for the latest version of macOS. There were Apple fans saying some variation of it's not an actual problem, that they don't have that problem, that they don't use the window resize handles anyway, or that the post was an exaggeration. Turns out it was an actual problem that Apple addressed with a bug fix. Of course, Apple fans, being shameless, will jump to reframing the discussion from "Apple can do no wrong" to "See, Apple listens! You know who doesn't listen? Microsoft!!" I get it, not a monolith, but recognizing Apple fans aren't a monolith doesn't make them less off-putting.
The final nail in the coffin for me for the ecosystem was getting called a child for *checks notes* making the adult decision to move to Android to have a phone that did the things I needed (with much fewer annoying, uncritical fans and a lot more people who genuinely want to help).
So, yes, there is a danger in letting the fandom do all the work and laughing off "threats" of user exoduses. The conduct of Apple fans coupled with Apple's ignorance to regular users' feedback soured me to the ecosystem. It would take a lot to bring me back. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.
Someone1234 2 hours ago [-]
Exactly! The fact that this has 300+ votes and is on HN's front page (and is just CONSTANTLY brought up on Reddit), should really tell you how fed up people are with the iOS keyboard experience.
I legit feel like Apple should actually make a public statement like "we hear you, we're working on it!" because it is actually bad PR at this point.
LanceH 15 minutes ago [-]
Apple is allergic to admitting anything. They go straight from "there is no problem" to "this update brings improvements".
eptcyka 25 minutes ago [-]
I feel like the people who could move the needle don’t actually type on their iPhones, they pay someone to do that.
causal 2 hours ago [-]
Yup and it's clearly getting attention.
antonvs 54 minutes ago [-]
> Most users never give feedback, they just churn.
Sure, but this is a duopoly and it's not as if the competition is perfect. A lot of issues like this simply don't matter because of that. The response that goes through the PM's head is likely to be along the lines of, "What you gonna do, switch to Android? Ha!"
> This is the same reason your toothpaste has a phone number on the back - that one random person who cares deeply calls the number and provides invaluable feedback on the product.
You'll notice that tech companies go out of their way to avoid offering that option.
munk-a 3 hours ago [-]
The article ended up making it to HN and, at least the discussion I'm seeing, is highly critical of Apple's recent design changes. There isn't a threat you can construct that'd throw 20% of Apple's profit into uncertainty, but losing their mantle of technical excellence is something that will deeply damage Apple in the long term. Microsoft seems hell bent on being a worse example right now but if the grade of Apple's products slips too much then the price markup they enjoy will be eroded which is a very dangerous cycle to fall into.
bee_rider 2 hours ago [-]
People complain about everything on HackerNews, if I was Apple I’d 100% ignore us.
The recent kerfluffle has been all the Liquid Glass stuff, I hear lots of people in my offline circle who aren’t reading every phone UI review who are trying various schemes to avoid or mitigate this update. It’s pretty bad! (The keyboard sucking is water under the bridge at this point, I think).
Someone1234 2 hours ago [-]
I get what you're saying; but the thing is you can kinda-sorta ignore the Liquid Glass stuff (performance not withstanding on older devices); but the keyboard is a "touch surface" people are actively using every single day.
Kind of a big deal that something you'll likely use every time you pick up your device has been broken now for going on years, with no real movement on the issue.
dylan604 3 hours ago [-]
There is a possibility that this "threat" could go viral. Now something dumb your company is doing is being discussed everywhere. Companies hate that kind of publicity. It's the kind of thing that sticks around and lingers even after things have been corrected.
It can't go viral until you actually make a post for people to find and promote. Step one has now been completed. Step two is gaining traction.
hinkley 11 minutes ago [-]
I’m a long term AAPL shareholder and even I see a bit of the hegemonic vibes.
Little people can’t get the attention of large organizations without literally setting themselves on fire. Voting with your feet isn’t going to affect a trillion dollar company at all. Unless maybe you’re Dame Judy Dench.
shevy-java 31 minutes ago [-]
I somewhat agree with this. There are probably not that many users who purchase(d) Apple hardware but will leave due to the keyboard.
> The threat doesnt even carry the weight losing a user for a 2 year blip
Agreed, but it may be different if there would be more people feeling in a similar way.
> If meant to be whimsical sure nailed it.
It's a bit strange though because there are many things one can critisize Apple for. My main gripe is still Steve Jobs underpaying developers via illegal agreements. Yet people praise him as if he would have been a god. I am not saying he had bad ideas or was a bad designer per se, but some people never even mention criminal activities for their heroes. The court case was mega-clear; that is undeniable. If he would still be alive I'd love to hear what people would say now.
LanceH 14 minutes ago [-]
> My main gripe is still Steve Jobs underpaying developers via illegal agreements.
I'm blown away by Apple building their own stores in competition with the franchisees who carried them those lean years.
_diyar 3 hours ago [-]
Your comment makes no sense to me. What in your opinion would be a strong threat? 'Tim Cook, open the suspicion package I sent you in the mail!'?
latexr 3 hours ago [-]
I mean, this random person added a countdown timer, and after that revealed that when it reaches the end, if Apple hasn’t met some arbitrary demand they’ll leave the platform but probably be back (just in time to spend more money on another device) and that the colour of a phone is enough to get them back.
This is one of the emptiest threats I’ve ever seen. This is about as effective as having a madman inside your house destroying your property with a baseball bat and saying “if you don’t stop smashing my stuff in the next 72 hours, I’ll consider writing mean things about you in my diary”.
No need to get specific. Write a blog post about how the keyboard is broken and say you’re leaving for another platform because of it. It’s not like Apple is going to check when you did it or for how long (or care). The theatrics are unnecessary and laughable, they undermine the whole message. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone inside Apple is sharing this with their colleagues and laughing.
InsideOutSanta 3 hours ago [-]
Another random blog post about the broken iOS keyboard would not get any traction. This is getting traction.
I'm pretty sure the author realized that Tim Apple isn't shaking in his boots, looking at the numbers going down. That's not the point, the point is that it's funny and interesting and thus getting attention.
hnlmorg 2 hours ago [-]
Is this getting traction? The front page of HN and some meta-debate is a pretty low bar for what I’d consider traction if I were a one of the richest companies on Earth.
latexr 2 hours ago [-]
> Another random blog post about the broken iOS keyboard would not get any traction.
Nonsense. Complaints about Apple’s declining software quality get a lot of traction on HN. Here’s another example from today:
This exact same submission! Which didn’t get any traction then. The traction this is getting has little to do with the quality of the post, it’s popular because it’s another thread where we can air our grievances.
lolpython 1 hours ago [-]
Why so agressive? You're making a conclusion from a tenuous correlation. I upvoted TFA because I've been annoyed with my Apple keyboard and them not fixing it. Not becaue I saw some other post on window resizing. Judging by the other comments here a bunch of people are in the same boat. I've been complaining in my social circle about it and have partially switched to Android as a result.
latexr 46 minutes ago [-]
> I upvoted TFA because I've been annoyed with my Apple keyboard and them not fixing it. Not becaue I saw some other post on window resizing.
That’s not what I said. Upvoting one post has nothing to do with upvoting the other. They’re two wholly separate posts, the one thing they have in common is (rightfully) criticising Apple for declining software quality. The point is that this submission isn’t special, as the person I replied to suggested. These types of posts are a dime a dozen (which I approve of, I think Apple should be getting criticised for what they do wrong) and they get traction on HN all the time.
I upvoted this submission too, it’s not wrong. But I agree with the comment up the chain that it makes its point as a pretty weak threat, and that doing so undermines the message.
InsideOutSanta 2 hours ago [-]
There are dozens of blog posts about this, and this one is trending on HN.
Anyway, why are you so upset about this? Why are you calling my comment "nonsense" and obsessing over this counter? It's clearly having an effect on you, which was its purpose. Realistically, another post about Apple's borked keyboard should create zero emotional response, yet here we are.
latexr 2 hours ago [-]
I think you’re projecting. How is mentioning a counter once in one comment “obsessing”? I’m glad this post is getting traction, I’m pretty open about my disdain for Apple’s declining software quality and Tim Cook’s management, I welcome posts that shine more light on it.
> Realistically, another post about Apple's borked keyboard should create zero emotional response
Of course that is not true. That is trivial to disprove.
The threat is weak, the attraction it gets is great.
It was never about loosing one single customer, it's about getting a bad reputation and loosing many more undecided potential customers.
ozzyphantom 3 hours ago [-]
Don’t we all deserve a little whimsy in our lives?
vitorfblima 2 hours ago [-]
Exactly. So many people missing the whole point.
ericpauley 3 hours ago [-]
It's even worse: based on "orange iPhone" they just bought an iPhone 17. So they'll skip the next two iPhones and be back in 2028? Sounds like a standard upgrade cycle.
bee_rider 2 hours ago [-]
Yeah I’m boycotting Apple for like 8 years at a time by this standard, I guess. Their hardware lasts a while.
I do wish I could get a “security patches only” update channel, though. Their declining software competency is visible and annoying.
f1shy 56 minutes ago [-]
You better believe is not just one user. Read the comments. We are thousands or millions. I‘m really tired of the shitty Keyboard. For a long time I thought it was my fault, now I know is not.
usui 2 hours ago [-]
I can't believe there are also other people downrange who don't get it, but in case anyone has a broken sarcasm detector:
Yes, this blog post is meant to be whimsical and tongue-in-cheek because the post takes itself too seriously by pretending like one user leaving to another platform (for 2 years GASP!!) with a big scary countdown timer is a credible threat to a multi-trillion dollar company. The real part of the post is the request and complaining about the bug.
dostick 2 hours ago [-]
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sequoia 1 hours ago [-]
I have a lot of issues with dictation as well which I feel has gotten much worse as it gets "smarter." It used to take literal dictation & I could say "comma" "period" etc. to insert punctuation. Now it tries to guess when commas or full stops should be added and it's horrible. If I pause to take a breath it puts a comma or period, sometimes entirely changing the meaning of the sentence.
Recently I said "I ran into this too earlier on the project" and it wrote "I run into this tube earlier on the project." So now I'm running into a tube... because this makes more sense than "too"? And it can never write the names of immediately family members I text about every single day, and it has 5th grade vocabulary so if I said I demurred or that something was germane or any other word beyond the 500 most common words it butchers it.
What I want: 1. let me handle the punctuation manually 2. assume a broader vocabulary 3. let me specify how people's names are pronounced!! How are we this many years in and it still misinterprets my wife's name on a daily basis?
dkga 1 hours ago [-]
Same frustration here. It’s somewhat painful for me to type but using dictation on the iphone is so terrible I prefer the physical pain.
As for names, I an also baffled. Most people in my family have either a Brazilian Portuguese or German name, but my work life is in English, so guess what, no getting anyone’s name right!
jama211 56 minutes ago [-]
I still use spoken punctuation and it works ok so long as you don’t pause. E.g. “ hey siri text my wife I’m not sure when I’ll be home comma but I’ll text you when I’m leaving” if I say that without pausing, it puts the comma in the right place
anonymars 37 minutes ago [-]
I think the point is the opposite. Heaven forbid you might need to take a moment to think: now you get a comma or period
citiguy 1 hours ago [-]
I struggled with family member names too until I realized I can create shortcuts for them (usually just their initials). Now I just type the shortcut and it always works. Joy!
Liftyee 4 hours ago [-]
As a lifelong Android user (in the EU, where Apple hegemony is not as strong) I always saw Apple as the "pay more for more polished ecosystem UX" option. So it always surprises me when things that are trivial on Android/Linux are sticking points on iOS/macOS. Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself.
jccalhoun 5 minutes ago [-]
I am an android and windows user but i have an ipad and i listen to an apple-centric podcast and I'm amazed at the things that don't work. I've been using swiftkey on android since before MS bought it so I kept using it on ipad. The ipad reverts to the apple keyboard all the time.
On macos there was a post a day or two ago about window arrangement which seems very inferior to windows. I was in the mac lab at school and was surprised that there's no multi item clipboard built in. The answer seems to be use a 3rd party app for these but it seems odd that such basic things aren't built in.
mzmzmzm 2 hours ago [-]
I recently switched to iPhone for network reasons, and some UI/UX things are really shocking. There is no way to toggle location services without going into settings. The alarms are tricky to set and don't have niceties like telling you the time until your morning alarm. There is no clipboard history. They want you to use swipe gestures so much, the touch targets to exit fullscreen media are barely functional. If you use browser extensions and a browser other than Safari, to change their settings you don't open the app that bundles the extension; you don't look in the menus of your browser or Safari; you dig several layers into Safari's app preferences to find the extension's settings. After such praise, there are so many rough edges I can't believe iOS users just put up with.
jama211 48 minutes ago [-]
Some of these are design decisions, not rough edges. There’s pros and cons. Eg, centralising settings makes it simpler min some ways and more convoluted in others.
That being said clipboard history would be a nice addition. However I never want to see how long until my morning alarm, that’s one thing from android I don’t miss, it would give me immediate anxiety.
Regardless when you’re used to something it often doesn’t feel like “putting up with it”, and when you’re not used to something things that are totally fine can feel like you’re putting up with an annoyance. This works both ways.
Take any iphone user and put an android phone in their hands and within the first two months there will be a lot of things they’ll say “how do android users put up with this stuff” about too.
It’s fine. They’re both fine, it’s about what you’re used to more than anything.
mikepurvis 27 minutes ago [-]
I recently switched the other direction and one rough edge I was surprised to hit on Android is the state of copy and paste for images; on iOS I would copy from Google photos and paste in WhatsApp, now that's just gone and the only option is either Google photos share-to or WhatsApp insert-from. There seems to be pseudo image clipboard support but it's mostly limited to pasting between Chrome tabs afaict.
My switching was due to a build up of minor frictions and frustrations with feeling like a second class citizen on iOS because I use largely gsuite apps rather than being bought into the Apple way for everything, with the last straw being the limitations on Pebble functionality.
Gander5739 1 minutes ago [-]
I've been a lifelong Android user and still find this a glaring omission. As far as I can tell, copying an image in a browser and then pasting it elsewhere results in a character.
ASalazarMX 1 hours ago [-]
It's even deeper than that. You know the fancy side button that is designed to be used as a camera shortcut? You don't need that shortcut? Guess that button is unusable for you, because you won't be able to assign it to anything else.
Meanwhile the lock button long-press was hijacked for Siri, so now you have to click it five times if you want to turn off the phone.
And don't get me started on the useless back tap, which now displays a popup randomly, trying to seduce you into using it instead of a physical button, but the detection is so flaky I doubt anyone actually uses it.
mastercheif 17 minutes ago [-]
Back tap is an accessibility feature, not intended for general public use.
pidge 1 hours ago [-]
I’m curious and suffering from a failure of imagination—why toggle location services regularly?
avidiax 34 minutes ago [-]
Why is the toggle allowed at all? Presumably, sometimes we don't want apps to know where we are and record/share that to the highest bidder.
International travellers will know that some apps will alter behavior or refuse to work based on your location, if it's provided. If I use a VPN, I want the app or website to use only the IP location*, not the radio location.
0cf8612b2e1e 52 minutes ago [-]
If you are not actively benefitting from GPS, why let the man get a constant lock on your location? Make them suffer with cellphone tower pings.
I too keep GPS off unless I am navigating.
AlotOfReading 59 minutes ago [-]
Increased privacy and decreased battery use when disabled, presumably.
inferniac 4 hours ago [-]
Their software quality really went downhill in recent years, really hope whoever comes in after Cook treats it as priority
realo 3 hours ago [-]
Maybe they started to use some internal "Siri Code" tool ...
They should stick to Claude Code, like everyone else.
babypuncher 34 minutes ago [-]
I don't think vibecoding is the solution to software quality problems, regardless of what tools/models you are using.
lysace 3 hours ago [-]
I'm getting a strong feeling that the first generation of really, really talented people who built iOS in the 2000s have now to a substantial degree moved on/retired. Similar feeling with OS X/macOS.
Please correct me if I'm wrong - it is after all just a feeling.
sunaookami 3 hours ago [-]
I have this feeling for every software out there.
thewebguyd 2 hours ago [-]
It’s not overly far fetched. A lot of the software and platforms we use now we’re all developed around the same time period.
There’s obviously new talent coming in to the industry but the attitudes are different, and talented people like to make new things not work on someone else’s legacy code.
So yeah I think it’ll continue to get worse until something new replaces iOS/Android/macOs/Windows hegemony.
smokel 3 hours ago [-]
People who like building new things, like building new things.
dzdt 2 hours ago [-]
And people who like getting raises dont like leaving things alone...
ASalazarMX 57 minutes ago [-]
IMO Apple grew too much it became another slow megacorp, more connected to their quarterly reports and shareholders than their consumers and engineers. The growing Apple was the one that gave us innovation.
I'm not saying it's dead, not by far, but it has become stale. The biggest innovation it has made in 10+ years was using their mobile processors in laptops.
graemep 36 minutes ago [-]
That is the usual path. You can say the same of Google or Microsoft or pretty much any big tech company.
Its true of many businesses outside tech too.
MichaelZuo 4 hours ago [-]
I would say Catalina in 2019 already had enormous issues, there were hard faults in Console pretty much daily that Apple never bothered to fix. (Plus hundreds of minor faults per day)
I had to downgrade to Mojave so the wheels likely came off internally around then.
PlatoIsADisease 4 hours ago [-]
Recent?
They have been last to get Widgets. They don't have apps I use (terminals, emulators, pulse wave generators). Not to mention Gemini AI is actually really nice for scanning a screen and doing actions with it.
Apple is always 2nd place or worse. Except marketing, they are #1.
karlshea 4 hours ago [-]
"Quality" and "features you happen to want" are two different things.
metabagel 3 hours ago [-]
Their hardware is world class. Software? Not so much.
soperj 3 hours ago [-]
They sold the Macbook air with Broadwell processors for over 3 years. They only changed the processors because intel discontinued them. They skipped 3 generations of processors.
wtallis 3 hours ago [-]
It would also be fair to say they didn't skip any generation of processors with that gap in updates, they merely sat out the first two years of Intel shipping Skylake five years in a row.
And in the meantime, they did use those first two years of Skylake for the 12" MacBook; the next update to the MacBook Air was after the last update the 12" MacBook ever got. For a while, the 12" MacBook was the more premium, thinner and lighter alternative to the MacBook Air with more advanced technology (and could plausibly have been construed as the intended successor to the MacBook Air), then in 2018 they merged back together with the introduction of the first MacBook Air with a Retina Display.
soperj 2 hours ago [-]
I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here.
They sold old hardware for the same price 3 years later as if it was a premium product. They didn't really have an excuse, they've been the most valuable public company on earth since like 2010.
wtallis 2 hours ago [-]
Selling an old model for a few years after its replacement shows up is not unusual. The only thing unusual here is that the 12" MacBook didn't end up actually replacing the MacBook Air in the long run, and the next major iteration went back to being called "MacBook Air".
The three-year gap in processor updates you're complaining about disappears when you recognize the 12" MacBook as an attempt to move the product line in a different direction, which Apple partially backtracked on after a few years. That course correction was quite a bit quicker than for the Touch Bar MBPs and the trash can Mac Pro.
soperj 2 hours ago [-]
> disappears when you recognize the 12" MacBook as an attempt to move the product line in a different direction, which Apple partially backtracked on after a few years.
and if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle.
As far as I can glean this was never something that they intended to do.
PlatoIsADisease 3 hours ago [-]
What do you mean? For a phone? Are people doing anything on a phone that you can't do on an Android? Be realistic, not idealistic or giving test situations that no one actually uses.
On desktop? Uh... There is a reason Nvidia is #1. Wake me up when I can get Nvidia on Apple.
OJFord 3 hours ago [-]
And to be clear 'do anything to fix them yourself' is as simple as install a third-party keyboard from the official Play Store, if you had such an issue as this with the default 'GBoard'.
nozzlegear 3 hours ago [-]
You can install third-party keyboards on iOS too, I'm not sure why that's not considered an option in this case.
stavros 3 hours ago [-]
I had an iPhone for three months until I switched back to Android because the keyboard was trash. The one thing I could not believe is how even SwiftKey on iOS is horrible, even though it's my default keyboard on Android, and I've been very happy with it.
tl;dr: gatekeeping by Apple. Yes, it would probably be embarassing to Apple if someone built a way better touch keyboard.
Someone1234 2 hours ago [-]
That definitely explains SOME of why SwiftKey is worse on iOS, but it doesn't explain much of it. It just seems like Microsoft never got it to feature parity.
nozzlegear 3 hours ago [-]
Anecdote but I've never had issues with the keyboard, or with Siri mishearing me (just to touch on another common pain point that people talk about re: Apple tech). I've always interpreted stories like this as the people who are most affected by it being vocal and speaking out (as they should), while the majority who aren't just have nothing to say because it all works fine.
> Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself.
We can install third-party keyboards on iOS, so I'm not sure why that's not being considered here.
dylan604 3 hours ago [-]
> the majority who aren't just have nothing to say because it all works fine.
This is a bad way to go through life with this reasoning. It is pretty well understood that in normal situations the vast majority of people are not vocal even if they feel the same way about things the vocal people are saying. As an example I use a lot, congress critters use a formula to get the pulse of the constituents. If they receive a hand written letter (yes, I learned about the formula when people did that), they'd multiply that by some factor knowing that if one person felt strongly enough to send in a letter that others also felt that way. Phone calls were the same, but with a smaller multiplier as it was easier to make a call that write a letter followed by emails with yet a smaller mult. This was all well before social media, but I'd imagine searching tweets would give a pretty good indicator as well now. A single tweet would be worth something, but tweets with lots of retweets and heavy comment activity would be something else. Even if a tweet is something done pretty much on a whim with little thought behind it like that letter.
The silent majority is called that for a reason. It doesn't mean they are happy or content. Ignore that reality at your own peril.
nozzlegear 1 hours ago [-]
> As an example I use a lot, congress critters use a formula to get the pulse of the constituents. If they receive a hand written letter (yes, I learned about the formula when people did that), they'd multiply that by some factor knowing that if one person felt strongly enough to send in a letter that others also felt that way. Phone calls were the same, but with a smaller multiplier as it was easier to make a call that write a letter followed by emails with yet a smaller mult. This was all well before social media, but I'd imagine searching tweets would give a pretty good indicator as well now. A single tweet would be worth something, but tweets with lots of retweets and heavy comment activity would be something else. Even if a tweet is something done pretty much on a whim with little thought behind it like that letter.
This is an extremely popular bit of apocrypha that's repeated ad nauseam across reddit. It's more like a political truism than an observation on the behaviors of the silent majority re: Apple users.
> The silent majority is called that for a reason. It doesn't mean they are happy or content. Ignore that reality at your own peril.
It doesn't mean they're discontent either.
dylan604 1 hours ago [-]
> This is an extremely popular bit of apocrypha that's repeated ad nauseam across reddit.
This is so tiring of a lame excuse. I don't use reddit, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. As a high school kid, I volunteered with my congressman in his office and heard this directly from people working in the office. You can try to snipe anonymously from the internet, but it doesn't make me wrong.
thatswrong0 2 hours ago [-]
o/ I'm a silent majority member for sure. I've seen these complaints before and I nod my head every time remembering that "Oh yeah, this DOES suck but I just put up with it because it happens so frequently and there ain't no way I'm switching ecosystems".
Sidenote: please Apple, if I type the same misspelled (but not) thing two times in a row, just leave it be. And no, I did not mean "what the he'll". And why is selecting text so hard.
Talanes 39 minutes ago [-]
I'm part of the silent majority and I'm not speaking up because I have so little trust in Apple to ever fix anything that I'm just riding out my 2nd gen SE on IOS 17 until it physically stops working. At which point I'm going to seriously consider whether I actually need a smart phone at all.
dlcarrier 2 hours ago [-]
…or with Siri mishearing…
Sounds like you won the lottery. I've never used a voice recognition engine that worked even close to reliably, nor seen anyone else.
I just want a small set of commands that are easy to differentiate from each other, and a readback before executing the command. This is what phones did back in the days of Symbian, and I could reliably use one from a motorcycle helmet intercom without ever touching my phone. It's what air traffic controllers do, because even people can't reliably understand each other.
We've had decades of Apple and Google pretending that their voice recognition is so flawless it can understand anything and execute it immediately, but for petty much everyone except yourself they can't, so I can no longer use a hands-free phone. I'm glad I'm not blind.
nozzlegear 1 hours ago [-]
> Sounds like you won the lottery. I've never used a voice recognition engine that worked even close to reliably, nor seen anyone else.
I think I'm just #blessed with the specific American accent (or "no accent") they must have trained it on lol. On the other hand, Siri frequently mishears my wife who's from California but doesn't have what I would call an accent any different from mine, so who knows.
meatmanek 2 hours ago [-]
anecdatum: I've encountered the dumb keyboard behavior and haven't written any scathing blog posts about it, I've just grumbled out loud and upvoted the ones I've seen.
So consider the possibility that many people are affected but haven't reached the threshold of writing something about it.
throwway120385 2 hours ago [-]
Yeah I used to love the iOS keyboard 5 or 6 years ago but now I find it completely baffling, and the way it goes back into my sentence to change words around the word I just typed is very frustrating as I will then have to edit those words back.
Dear Tim Apple, I meant exactly what I typed please stop changing it because your product manager doesn't think I know English.
nozzlegear 1 hours ago [-]
I'm definitely willing to consider that. If it wasn't clear from my original comment, that was just my own impression based on my own experience and observation of HN/Reddit's anti-Apple trends over the past few years. It wasn't meant to be a rigorous assessment of all opinions regarding the state of apple devices.
unethical_ban 3 hours ago [-]
When I had iPhone for work, the first thing I did was install gboard. Iphone's native keyboard has always been less accurate. I have no idea how to describe it because I haven't researched it.
wilkystyle 4 hours ago [-]
Long-time iOS user here. My motivation for iPhone has always been "you pay more for fewer features and customization, but the UX is more polished." For the past 5-ish years, the UX has consistently gotten considerably worse. Not just the usual things like the horrible keyboard and atrocious Siri capabilities, it's all the stuff that used to just work. Nothing deal-breaking by itself, but all together feels like death by a thousand cuts. I'm at the point where I'm seriously considering Android.
fodkodrasz 4 hours ago [-]
Also add Liquid Glass, it strains the eyes.
Even siri got worse, when I say call <nickname of my gitfriend> now it does some location based search, and calls sonebody, when near home it is a doctor, when on the other side of the river it is a flower shop, at othe rplaces other random non-contacts, with a contact having the sting it used for search, as her nickname is always part of the called person… It used to work flawlessly as expected…
I would be fine with Siri actually if if could handle simple fixed phrase based task, no AI, as it could a few years ago.
wilkystyle 3 hours ago [-]
The most frustrating aspect of Siri's quality decline is that super-basic things inexplicably stop working. For years I have been able to say "call <wife's name>" and Siri called my wife. A couple weeks ago she started dialing another contact I haven't talked to in 15 years with a similarly-pronounced name (but different spelling). I had to delete the old contact to stop that behavior from happening.
SoftTalker 32 minutes ago [-]
First thing I did when I got an iPhone was disable Siri as much as possible.
threetonesun 2 hours ago [-]
I mainly use Siri for cooking timers, I really enjoyed the brief period of time where it started flipping 50 minutes and 15 minutes. And then went back, for some reason, but not after I started using things like 14 minutes and 59 seconds or 51 minutes to make it think just a little harder.
JohnMakin 2 hours ago [-]
They said it was Apple Intelligence - they didn't tell you how intelligent it would be!
mmh0000 3 hours ago [-]
I’m not sure if gitfriend is a typo.
I’m lonely and really want a gitfriend to push and merge with! Please tell the story of how you got one!
/s for the /s impaired
DonHopkins 3 hours ago [-]
I'm afraid of commits.
BeetleB 46 minutes ago [-]
It always ends up with a lot of blaming.
In extreme cases, it terminates with a bisect.
dotancohen 3 hours ago [-]
You could wait a bit after forking.
Towaway69 3 hours ago [-]
Squash commit can fix the conflict.
mmh0000 2 hours ago [-]
Doesn't work if there are too many diffs
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Towaway69 2 hours ago [-]
Diffs can always be patched up.
randerson 3 hours ago [-]
I'll sometimes ask Siri to take me to a local address, and it'll instead pick some random address in a city 2500+ miles away and start routing me there like that's obviously what i wanted
yndoendo 3 hours ago [-]
From an outsider that used their products years ago.
Apple has shifted from working to produce quality to working to maximize profit ... when it comes to software.
The only thing that would change this would be a new CEO or Apple hemorrhaging money with more people buy alternative solutions.
To be fair ... Microsoft is in the same down hill spiral in quality and the IT industry staying with them allows form the to do this.
arnoooooo 2 hours ago [-]
I also had that idea before I tried to use Apple products to help friends... I really was amazed at the hoops you had to jump through for things which should have been really simple. That was a long time ago.
metabagel 4 hours ago [-]
Apple’s implementation of desktops/workspaces is maddening.
WarmWash 4 hours ago [-]
In the US Apple is the
"Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you"
option.
Outside of tech circles (where apparently people easily get their entire family and friend network on signal), people want to use imessage and only want to use imessage. Android phones can't support imessage because they are poor low quality phones that cannot handle imessage. So you need a high quality phone like iphone so you can use imessage and easily communicate with your friends and family.
This strategy of leveraging friends and family to pressure people into getting iPhones was intentional and came out in the Epic trial lawsuit.
I shit you not there is a large percentage of people in the US that think Android phones are not capable of sending pcitures and videos.
Tepix 4 hours ago [-]
> Android phones can't support imessage because they are poor low quality phones that cannot handle imessage.
Android phones can't use iMessage because Apple never opened it up, contrary to what Steve Jobs was hinting at back when it was released.
Nowadays I believe you can get a blue bubble when chatting from an Android with an iPhone user by using RCS / JOYN.
samhclark 3 hours ago [-]
You don't get a blue bubble for using RCS. That's still reserved for iMessage exclusively. (At least, on iOS 26 in the US on T-Mobile)
nozzlegear 3 hours ago [-]
Yeah, there's a myth spread on the internet after Apple announced rcs support in iMessage that it was the end of green bubbles for android users. But green bubbles still exist; they never meant the other party is just using sms, they meant the other party isn't using iMessage.
_alternator_ 3 hours ago [-]
Pretty sure that was sarcasm.
kwanbix 3 hours ago [-]
> Android phones can't support imessage because they are poor low quality phones that cannot handle imessage. So you need a high quality phone like iphone so you can use imessage and easily communicate with your friends and family.
You are missing the /s right?
circuit10 3 hours ago [-]
The last sentence makes it clear that it is sarcasm
ryandrake 4 hours ago [-]
> "Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you"
Maybe your "social group". If your friends refuse to talk to you because of the cell phone brand you use, I have bad news for you: They might not really be great friends.
etrautmann 4 hours ago [-]
That’s not what this is about. If you have a group chat with one android user, it used to make all aspects of the interactions clunkier. Green bubbles, sending a new text instead of reactions, etc. as such, people would get left off of a list. Those small interactions add up over time.
malfist 3 hours ago [-]
If your "friends" care enough about small stuff like that to cut you out of their conversations, they're not your friends.
mingus88 3 hours ago [-]
Seriously, sounds more like a local user group than anyone who cares about you
cpuguy83 3 hours ago [-]
This just isn't true anymore (besides the green).
stockresearcher 3 hours ago [-]
Yes. Mean girls at school are mean. If everyone has the same color bubble they’ll just find something else to be mean about.
pmontra 3 hours ago [-]
This is correct. Everybody has green bubbles in Europe even on iOS, because everybody is using WhatsApp. But mean people are still mean.
creaturemachine 4 hours ago [-]
This is the state of friendship in the social media age.
zdragnar 4 hours ago [-]
Texting images and videos to iPhone users used to be much worse than it is now, but it's gotten better in the past few years if my (Android) experience with my family (iPhones) is any indication.
The hard to tell part is I'm also crossing carriers to message them, so that might have been the issue as well.
bix6 4 hours ago [-]
> I shit you not there is a large percentage of people in the US that think Android phones are not capable of sending pcitures and videos.
Source? Would love to read this one lol
actionfromafar 4 hours ago [-]
It was kind of true a very long time ago except in potato quality. And if you were out of data, but was connected on WiFi instead, you actually couldn't. And you still can't text a large video across the Android / iPhone chasm, can you?
vel0city 2 hours ago [-]
You can send decently sized videos between Android and iOS assuming RCS is enabled. Attachment sizes can now often be up to 100MB, where as with MMS you'd often be limited to maybe a megabyte or two.
I'm regularly sending/receiving gifs and decent quality short videos between iOS and Android these days.
_alternator_ 3 hours ago [-]
‘Potato quality’ ahahahahahahhaa I hope this was iPhone autocorrect to prove the point.
cwnyth 3 hours ago [-]
No, it's an old phrase. It came from the question, "Was this filmed on a potato?" when someone posted a video of particularly bad quality, as if their phone was a potato.
joecool1029 3 hours ago [-]
It wasn’t too long ago either. I mentioned it before in prior comments but due to how MMS works at one major carrier (verizon) they sent picture quality back to pre-smartphone days for a large % of android users.
The quick explainer is phones send a user agent with the request to fetch a media message, this user agent contains a link to a file that describes what the device can handle. Apple and Blackberry hosted these files themselves, Verizon hosted most of the android ones on its network itself. They decommissioned the server hosting them a few years ago which made it so all affected devices pulled the lowest potato quality image down for compatibility. Huge number of complaints.
dmi 2 hours ago [-]
It's a phrase that's been around for years to mean "poor quality" (https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/recorded-with-a-potato). One theory behind the term is that the recording device was so bad/low-tech, it could be powered by a potato battery.
PlatoIsADisease 4 hours ago [-]
>"Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you"
I see this in middle and lower-middle class people.
But in the upper-middle class, this is a non issue. We know how Apple manipulates people who struggle to spend $50/mo on a phone.
swasheck 3 hours ago [-]
i wanted to hate apple so much at the advent of the smartphone era, so when i made the switch from flip to smart, i went with a samsung and gingerbread and it was such a universally awful experience compared to the iphone mobiles my employer issued (before BYOD). i gutted it out through the life of the contract and switched to iphone for my personal as well and have been quite happy up until ios 18. if there is no appreciable change in the next version, i plan to export my curated music library/playlists and walk away from my "sign in with apple id" accounts and set up new ones. liquid glass is just that painful and hostile of a user experience.
browningstreet 4 hours ago [-]
This feels like 5 year old social media bullshit.. can we let it rest?
amelius 4 hours ago [-]
5 year old as in .. a child of 5 years old
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bhelkey 51 minutes ago [-]
> The iOS keyboard has been broken since at least iOS 17...But I came crawling back to iOS because I'm weak and the orange iPhone was pretty
So the keyboard has been broken since iOS 17 (>2 years [1]), and to show your displeasure, you bought an iPhone Pro?
Your threat of leaving in 3 months rings hollow. All Apple has to do is verbally say things will get better and, if they can' even do that, you only commit to leaving for two years.
If you want to leave, just leave. I am confident that blue bubble pressure will exist in 3 months. I am also confident that the iPhone 18 Pro will be pretty. If a nice color and blue bubbles are enough to keep you in the iOS ecosystem today, why should anyone believe you will leave tomorrow?
There are exactly two mainstream phone providers. Neither is perfect and there are heaps of tiny (fixable!!) annoyances in both.
I do not expect someone to be a “single issue voter” with regards to any one bug. There is significant friction in switching platforms and you are just as likely to be annoyed by something else in the competition.
prof-dr-ir 3 hours ago [-]
I agree that this behavior is insane and should be fixed.
Do however note that it is possible to install another keyboard on iOS, which may alleviate your suffering before you switch to Android in about 120 days.
Personally I rely on Gboard [0] every day for the simple reason that it auto-detects several (more than two) languages, and of course it has the added benefit of not having this crazy bug. Gboard is google software however, so it does come with huge privacy issues, and others will hopefully point out better alternatives.
Gboard for iOS has been discontinued though. On top of that, 3rd party keyboards are a bit limited on iOS (which might be a good thing for some people).
henryaj 1 hours ago [-]
Has it? It's still on the App Store. Is it just not in active development?
I have Gboard and have weird issues with it crashing randomly. Not sure if it's because it's hamstrung by the limitations of Apple's support for alternative keyboards or what.
pants2 3 hours ago [-]
Gboard is a lot better than the native keyboard. Strange that OP is going to such lengths to complain when iOS supports other keyboards.
The main benefit I've found with Gboard is a larger vocabulary, and perhaps a less aggressive autocorrect that doesn't constantly try to correct technical terms into similar common words.
LollipopYakuza 2 hours ago [-]
I’m not suggesting this is the author’s reason, but avoiding a Google product that keep a trail of everything you type seems like a strong argument.
pants2 53 minutes ago [-]
Via iOS permissions you can restrict internet access to the keyboard and it still works well.
pllbnk 2 hours ago [-]
One of the reasons in recent times to go to Apple ecosystem was supposedly better privacy protections and decoupling from dependency on Google. You would pay extra for the UX and privacy among other things. Installing third party keyboard means that they can see what I type.
junon 3 minutes ago [-]
Android is the same. Grass isn't any greener over here. I miss T9.
flanbiscuit 31 minutes ago [-]
> and I caved to the blue bubble pressure
Ha! I feel this. I was a long time Android user since the original G1 (aka HTC Dream). Was a strictly Pixel phone user for my last 4 phones. Recently jumped over to iPhone. For the most part I’m enjoying it.
There are minor things, like the keyboard being annoying to type with. For instance, when I’m typing something into the URL bar of Safari, for some reason, I’m constantly hitting the period key next to the space bar, and I feel like I’m not anywhere close to it.
I also find it confusing how to dismiss the keyboard. Android had a very clear icon for this, on iOS it’s just a checkmark which is a little misleading in my opinion.
On iOS, speech to text is pretty good, but I have to annunciate clearly, where I felt that android was a little bit more forgiving.
Another issue I’ve noticed is that I don’t think the GPS (or maybe it’s just Google maps) is as accurate as it is on android. On iOS, if I’m on a highway it sometimes thinks I’m on the shoulder road next to the highway. So I’m constantly being rerouted to get back on the highway. I felt like I didn’t have that on android.
Back to the blue bubble thing though. Being the one and only android user amongst my friends and even my wife, I was always hearing about how I ruined the chat. I didn’t realize until switching over to iOS just how integrated everything is and what you can do in the chat when everybody else is on iOS, like editing previous messages, being able to answer messages via your Messages app on your laptop, and of course, not having images and videos getting compressed terribly. Although RCS chat improved that more recently.
One thing I do love is that automation and shortcuts is something that’s natively part of the system and that I don’t to install some app like Tasker or whatever the more modern version of that is.
At this point, I really like both of the OSes. What made me actually finally switch over was that everyone I knew who had an iPhone would have it for like five or more years and I was going through pixel phones every two years. I got tired of spending all that money.
imglorp 3 hours ago [-]
> orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring
I guess this is really important to people.
One time I broke an Android, which happened to be white, and spoke to the insurer for a replacement. The agent insisted she find me another white phone, not another Android, and though an iPhone was suitable. She couldn't grok how the OS and phone specs were more important than the color.
hu3 3 hours ago [-]
Right? Most people encase it in an opaque phone case anyway.
lxndrdagreat 4 hours ago [-]
> You were the "it just works" company. Now you're just a fruit that I used to know.
This had me simultaneously chuckling and sad, because it feels very true.
causal 2 hours ago [-]
Switching from Android, I was shocked by how much in fact did not just work. I kept a running list of basic features that were clearly broken.
Especially around text editing. It seems like they made some fundamental mistakes with their text inputs that they are playing hard defense on. I never know if a given field is going to respond to long-press, double tap, or what context menu I will get if any.
JohnMakin 2 hours ago [-]
It's so many things other than the keyboard I notice are just like, "wtf, who and why decided this was a good idea?"
In safari browser, if you want to go to the menu where you can favorite/bookmark a page, the tiles on the menu are literally different and in different order every time. Sometimes you might need to press an additional button to find what you're looking for, sometimes it's there, sometimes clicking "favorite" will just go "ok, favorited" message, other times it asks for an extra prompt. Like, why? Just be consistent, I can adjust to all the "PM trying to save their role by reinventing something that isn't needed" like liquid glass, but the usability itself suffers all over the place in the latest ios releases. It's very difficult to understand, because up until a little while ago it had been consistently very good.
kyralis 21 minutes ago [-]
Apple has become beholden to announcements. Work that someone can shove into a feature that someone else decides is flashy enough to maybe get mentioned on stage gets resourcing and support. Work that isn't going to show up in a Keynote deck gets ignored.
That means that all of the polish work is shoved to the bottom of the stack until it reaches sufficient critical mass that someone finally makes time for engineers to pick some of it back out.
That, I think, is the critical failure of modern Apple. The company used to understand that polish could be more important than something new and flashy, and they've forgotten that in favor of marketing and Liquid Glass.
gwbas1c 17 minutes ago [-]
> But I came crawling back to iOS because I'm weak and the orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring and I caved to the blue bubble pressure.
My Pixel 10 is in a pretty orange case. Furthermore, if I get sick of it, it's not too big of a deal to change. Maybe I'll even figure out how to 3d print one!
FWIW: Pretty much everyone keeps their phone in a case today. Seems to make a lot more sense to focus on the case instead of the aesthetics of the phone.
presz 14 minutes ago [-]
We all yearn for the BlackBerry. I wish we got a modern one with support for the popular messaging apps (WhatsApp, Slack, etc). I know there are some smartphones out there with physical keyboards that run Android, but they feel more like a prototype than a full product.
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blemasle 17 minutes ago [-]
> I'm switching to Android for good. (Good = at least 2 calendar years)
wow, such a commitment. Not only it's as said only one customer but it is a customer who thinks "for good" is just skipping one phone. Which means she/he usually buys phone every single year.
What a bold and committed move. It's astonishing...
cmckn 15 minutes ago [-]
Autocorrect just cuts out for me pretty often, usually when I’m a couple sentences into a longer text entry. This is particularly annoying when using the Claude app or similar. The suggestion bar above the keyboard goes blank and I just stop getting any corrections.
Willish42 7 minutes ago [-]
> I randomly tried Android again for a few months last spring. Using a functioning keyboard was revelatory. But I came crawling back to iOS because I'm weak and the orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring and I caved to the blue bubble pressure.
I know this is somewhat a joke site, but I think admitting this really proves Apple's dominance and doesn't really help in making your case. So long as the walled garden / "platform" approach still works, enshittification will continue
ddtaylor 2 hours ago [-]
> I randomly tried Android again for a few months last spring. Using a functioning keyboard was revelatory. But I came crawling back to iOS because I'm weak and the orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring and I caved to the blue bubble pressure. But the keyboard on this beautiful phone is worse than ever.
Most of those problems aren't solved by software. You are using your phone as a fashion item.
1970-01-01 2 hours ago [-]
Plus devices can be wrapped for a few dollars. Turning a Pixel orange is trivial.
The fact that this is a real thing is ridiculous. Say no and move on with life. This is the type of freedom that is actually freeing.
pradmatic 1 hours ago [-]
Especially with RCS support, I’m more willing to leave iOS more than ever. Group chats aren’t as easy but everyone uses WhatsApp anyway.
digiown 1 hours ago [-]
RCS on Android seems to require Google services, which is just as bad as Apple, and seems to not work well with GrapheneOS.
bnchrch 59 minutes ago [-]
Its a real issue in North America.
SMS and as a result iMessage is the dominant text based chat.
iPhones have become the default smartphone, and is a status symbol compared to Android.
Mac vs Windows is similar on the laptop front.
Which means if your an Android user in a relatively average social group:
* You will get left out of group messages
* You will be starting on a back foot in the dating scene
On top of you wont be able to answer messages from friends on your laptop, because again, sms is dominant, not whatsapp.
Now don't shoot the messenger here. I don't like it either, but this is the social/technical reality in NA at the moment.
driverdan 27 minutes ago [-]
Sounds like a good way to filter out assholes. Anyone who cares what phone you use in this way is someone you don't want in your life.
bix6 4 hours ago [-]
I really wish someone could start a legitimate competitor to Apple. They are so bloated and just squeezing service revenue out of us. The M chips are great but the software is so buggy.
WolfeReader 2 hours ago [-]
What would a "legitimate competitor" look like to you?
Samsung and LG make high-end phones, and there are plenty of good personal computer vendors. And Windows is certainly a desktop OS that some people choose.
Apple doesn't offer any services unique to itself. It does offer a slick-looking and well-marketed "ecosystem" which is really just a bunch of different things that you could get from other vendors.
digiown 56 minutes ago [-]
You can't because there is a network monopoly and barrier to entry is sky high. Realistically, your only option is to piggyback on Android by developing an Android-compatible OS like Huawei did. However this will soon become impossible anyway, as Google will abuse Play Integrity to make your device unusable.
The only way out is either regulation or a whole paradigm shift that renders phones irrelevant. I'm not sure the latter will happen any time soon.
BenjaminBarwo 4 hours ago [-]
Yeah, but it's not really their software that's the moat they rely on. It's a lot more to that. They have incredible branding, Devices may be MID, but at least they make good commercials guys..... Plus, everyone's like sheep. If everyone's getting the latest iPhone, they're going to continue to get the latest iPhone because everyone else is getting the latest iPhone. *Sending dis off of a MacBook with my iPhone 16 in my left pocket btw*
stackghost 3 hours ago [-]
I don't think the devices themselves are mid. My M-series MacBook pro is fantastic. The battery life, suspend resume, the track pad, the audio quality, it's all really good hardware. Name a better laptop; I'll wait.
realusername 48 minutes ago [-]
Hardware wise I'd agree, on the software side though...
Beestie 4 hours ago [-]
Android: Here's the phone; knock yourself out
Apple: Father knows best (but Father is getting old and sometimes forgets things)
Windows: If only we understood what the ancestors knew
dgxyz 3 hours ago [-]
Android is more "here's a pocket panopticon we hope you won't unconfigure"
Apple is more "here's this refined product which we designated as refined after a heavy session snooting cocaine off a toilet seat"
singpolyma3 3 hours ago [-]
To be fair my iPhone spys on me in much more actively creepy ways than my android ever did. Showing ads for nearby pizza places at lunchtime on the homescreen. Telling me at about the time of my son's soccer that I may be interested in going to the place where his soccer is about now (despite me never using navigation on my phone) etc
MarioMan 2 hours ago [-]
Not sure where ads for pizza places are coming from, but the suggested maps trips are part of the “Significant Locations” feature. That data is end-to-end encrypted across your devices and is unreadable by Apple. It can be disabled if you don’t want it tracked.
bigyabai 1 hours ago [-]
> That data is end-to-end encrypted across your devices and is unreadable by Apple.
Sure, Jan. Next you'll tell me that Google isn't evil and Apple truly does care about human rights.
dgxyz 2 hours ago [-]
Not sure how you managed to get it to do that. Mine doesn't!
lubujackson 3 hours ago [-]
More like:
Apple: Father died a while back, but Step-Father is here now and he doesn't love you.
ActorNightly 3 hours ago [-]
If Steve jobs was still around, the iPhone would be considerably worse.
bdangubic 2 hours ago [-]
This is a bold statement - care to elaborate?!
russdill 3 hours ago [-]
Just to play both sides here, on pixel there is a news feed if you swipe the home screen right. It is now infused with ai summaries rather than the first few lines of the story with no way to go back.
Course, I can switch to a different launcher, but it makes it much less of a "batteries included" sort of product.
DangitBobby 2 hours ago [-]
There is a setting to disable this. Long press on your home screen background > Home Settings > Toggle "Swipe to access Google app"
russdill 38 minutes ago [-]
Right, but I appreciated easy access to a news feed.
2 hours ago [-]
sys32768 21 minutes ago [-]
On the Apple TV interface on my Roku, I can't tell which movie thumbnail I'm on because their UI just slightly enlarges the image which I can't really make out from my couch.
I always wonder who makes these decisions and whether they fancy themselves a designer.
HaloZero 4 hours ago [-]
I’d love to see (it won’t ever happen) what the bug fix for this is. I tried doing what the video said and just typing thumbs up over and over again and I didn’t actually have any trouble.
garciasn 4 hours ago [-]
I just typed "thumbs up" ~50x and was not able to reproduce the bug. But, as was pointed out in another thread somewhere, since I don't have 'Predictive Text' enabled maybe that has something to do w/it. So; I enabled 'Predictive Text' and there's the bug. It's consistently misspelling 'thumbs' with any number of different variations.
Disabling 'Predictive Text' seems to correct the bug; however, there must be something in the algorithm that's causing this that Apple does need to fix.
yreg 3 hours ago [-]
I never have predictive text, autocorrect et al. turned on. I somehow never figured it could work well. To be honest I did not give it a chance, but I'm happy to just always get exactly what I type. Don't remember running into any issues like author of the op article.
kccqzy 2 hours ago [-]
I turn off predictive text for a deeper reason: it interrupts your train of thought. I have a sentence mostly formed in my head, but when predictive text predicts a word that’s different, there’s so much extra mental overhead to consider whether I should change the sentence or ignore it.
I begrudgingly accept autocorrect on iOS however. On a real computer, I turn that off too. I have learned since a long time ago that writing and editing should be two separate activities.
Tempest1981 2 hours ago [-]
> see the bug fix
Possibly re-tuning of some LLM parameters? Or forgetting some bad learnings... sounds like it's specific to a small-ish percent of users.
soneca 32 minutes ago [-]
Oh, that is happening a lot to me and I wasn’t sure if it was only me!
A lot, I mean, about 80% of my ”não” (I speak Portuguese) are becoming just ”na”. And about 50% of my ”mais” are becoming ”mas”.
“o” and “i” are next to each other at the top row, so I wondered if the keyboard got smaller and my thumb automatic moviment became discalibrated.
But… I started to often see ”na” where it should be ”não” in other people’s texts.
Turns out it is a bigger issue it seems
pzmarzly 4 hours ago [-]
I was once blown away by iPhone 8 editing capabilities. The keyboard seemed to work OK (minus swipe-to-type, but that wasn't great on Android either), and using 3D Touch to move cursor and select text was the most pleasant text editing experience, even better than on the desktop (arrow keys and vim hjkl).
And then it was all removed in a software update.
8ytecoder 4 hours ago [-]
3D Touch was a useless gimmick for most users because it wasn’t discoverable. The move cursor feature didn’t disappear btw. It’s now in the space bar.
SwiftyBug 3 hours ago [-]
I never understood why Apple discontinued 3D Touch. I agree that it was a very nice typing experience.
nunez 32 minutes ago [-]
Several Redditors have observed that turning off swipe-to-type has improved keyboard accuracy. I tried this and confirmed that it makes a small difference.
Nevertheless, I shouldn't have to disable this (and AutoCorrect, as that has definitely gotten worse) on iOS, especially when Google's GBoard is as good as it is.
Anyone else remember the days when you switched to iOS for its legendary keyboard? I want those days back!
yabones 4 hours ago [-]
IOS 26 has been a massive dissapointment. I was strong-armed into updating this week with the vulnerability they refused to patch in 18.x, and it's what I would describe as "Gen Z's Vista"
tim-tday 25 minutes ago [-]
Post viable alternatives here and your thinking around why.
Being free to leave the iOS ecosystem is the biggest flex anyone can make to enforce beneficial change.
E.G.
Signal is the iMessage killer.
What’s your answer around lockdown, security, updates, hardware, iCloud replacement, AirPods etc
sounds231 3 hours ago [-]
Highly recommend Nintype third party keyboard. Such a breath of fresh air to have a keyboard made for power users.
The project is abandoned but it still works well. I hope someone sees this and gets inspired to build something to replace it. If you do you can have my money!
> The project is abandoned but it still works well
Hard deal breaker. And alternative keyboards in iOS feel second class in some ways, so we really rely on Apple to get it right.
asimovfan 42 minutes ago [-]
120 days and 2 years? Lame.. You might as well just use your iphone in the meantime.. Stupid to get a phone for 2 years just to buy an iphone again later on..
goshx 22 minutes ago [-]
I was skeptical. I then recorded the screen of myself typing, using the iPhone's screen recorder itself, and it is happening with me. I thought I was the issue. Wow.
Damogran6 55 minutes ago [-]
My keyboard is currently behaving. For once. It's been useless roughly three times since the last major update.
Over the course of each year-long iOS version life, I've become used to it sucking for a bit, either at the beginning (with bug fixes improving things) or towards the end (where, I assume, accumulated learning diverges from clean slate behavior.)
I suspect that the keyboard team is pegged with using new features on the silicon (Neural processing in earlier processors, then Neural Engine with newer processors) and they're doing what they can when tasked with new code.
But man, iOS4 didn't have all that and the keyboard was GREAT.
tech_ken 23 minutes ago [-]
WOW I've spent years thinking that I suck at typing on phone screens, I never even considered that it might be the keyboard software is just shitty....
philipallstar 2 hours ago [-]
> But I came crawling back to iOS because I'm weak and the orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring and I caved to the blue bubble pressure.
If your decision-making is this poor, you cannot say for sure that you're leaving iPhone.
marc_g 32 minutes ago [-]
The lag in the latest update on my 13 mini is almost unbearable too. I'm typing, it lags out, it then adds a lot of letters at once and, as expected, they're incorrect. Getting very, very frustrating.
runjake 44 minutes ago [-]
I'm entertain by the potential meta in these kinds of posts. Apple does not care at all about the contents of the post (presently).
But, if this post goes viral, it will affect the stock price and Tim Cook will pay attention. It makes me brainstorm other "stock manipulation" schemes with the sole goal of improving product quality.
sgt 1 hours ago [-]
I think it's hard for Apple to reproduce because maybe none of them are experiencing the issue? I have never seen issues with the keyboard, and I'm pretty pedantic about it.
If Apple is getting occasional feedback about a mysterious bug, but it's near impossible to reproduce, what can they do?
sbdaman 4 hours ago [-]
Keep autocorrect on and turn off predictive text. Makes the experience way better.
wlesieutre 4 hours ago [-]
Is predictive text the one that reaches back and changes correct words that I had already finished typing?
sbdaman 17 minutes ago [-]
It predicts what you are going to type as you type. It has a tendency to add words to the end of a message when you hit send.
malfist 3 hours ago [-]
Man, gboard does that on android so much that I wound up installing and using heliboard. It kinda sucks but at least it doesn't "fix" your message after you type everything
washadjeffmad 3 hours ago [-]
Whatever it is, it's bad on GBoard, too, if you possess better than a 6th grade vocabulary.
wilkystyle 4 hours ago [-]
This helps, but it's not nearly enough, thanks to the terrible (and continually declining) quality of predictive tap zone enlargement for keyboard keys.
lynndotpy 4 hours ago [-]
One thing you can't fix is that every iPhone and iPad invisibly resizes the keyboard keys as you type.
:(
wilkystyle 4 hours ago [-]
This is actually a necessary feature for a touchscreen keyboard to feel usable, and it's been in iOS since day one. The problem is that it has gotten not only much worse over time at predicting which tap zones to enlarge, but it also feels more aggressive. For example, tapping the shift button on the iOS keyboard enlarges the Enter/Return key's touch area so much that I am unable to immediately tap the microphone icon to turn off dictation. If I've tapped shift, I need to then wait a second for the predictively-enlarged tap zone to shrink before I can turn off dictation.
SoftTalker 24 minutes ago [-]
I wonder if it's an optimization for the monstrously large phones they make today, and on a reasonably sized phone such as my 12 mini it doesn't adapt well.
lynndotpy 4 hours ago [-]
I disagree that it's necessary and I wish I could disable it. They even have it enabled on iPads, which are a tad larger than the original iPhone, and which can be used with the official stylus.
wilkystyle 3 hours ago [-]
"Necessary" was probably too strong a word. I'm definitely no expert so I can only offer anecdotes, but for the first ~decade of iOS, the keyboard felt amazing to use. I felt super fast and typing mistakes were rare. Now I feel like I'm constantly fighting the keyboard to type the letters I actually want to type.
Agree at this point that I would disable it (in its current state) if I could, but when it worked correctly it was a huge boon to typing.
zadikian 2 hours ago [-]
Ok so it's not just me. I never had predictive text enabled but stopped being able to type easily when I switched from iPhone 5 to 12 mini. Thought I needed to get used to the new phone, but it's been years.
esskay 4 hours ago [-]
Funny thing is theres probably some Apple employees reading this right now kidding themselves into thinking this is an end user problem. It's not - your keyboard is bloody awful now, you made it worse.
joe_mamba 4 hours ago [-]
> theres probably some Apple employees reading this right now [...] you made it worse.
Apple employees reading this right now: "IDGAF about the keyboard, I made 500k in TC last year."
AyyEye 4 hours ago [-]
> I caved to peer pressure. If you don't fix this thing within four months I will switch to your competitor for one maybe even two product cycles.
He sure showed them. The people I know using super old iphones are doing more than their public commitment to buy more apple products as often as they can -- after a brief tolerance break, of course.
digiown 55 minutes ago [-]
Reminds me of these Reddit API protests for.. one day. Of course it didn't work.
shevy-java 34 minutes ago [-]
It's a bit strange because why purchase from Apple but then complain? If the quality is below the expectation; and/or the price too high, people can choose with their money to purchase something else. Viewed more objectively most people probably don't consider this to be a main impetus for people abandoning iPhone. I have not purchased any apple-specific hardware, but to me it is strange to e. g. make Apple big (by purchasing their stuff) and then assume there would be many people who are angry at Apple. That does not appear to make a whole lot of sense.
etler 1 hours ago [-]
It used to be better? I use android daily and was given an iPhone for work, and using it is incredibly painful because of the keyboard. I was wondering how people have been putting up with it for so long. When I've asked other long time iPhone users about it they just nodded along so I though it was a long running issue.
walthamstow 38 minutes ago [-]
My wife, an archetypal normie iPhone user of 15 years, has recently switched to Pixel for this and many other small reasons. It's just crap software.
tlogan 43 minutes ago [-]
I saw the video and understand the problem but I cannot simulate it. The keyboard always works great for me. Could it be that this bug is related to AI? Or some language settings?
The issue is that the letter that pops may be replaced, if it later changes its mind. Eg if you hit U, get a U popup, and sofly release while moving into the target area for J.
You get a J.
piskov 4 hours ago [-]
The keyboard stuff is really embarrassing. I’ve definitely been making more mistakes in the last few years.
RankingMember 4 hours ago [-]
I thought I was just getting more fumbly and it was making me question whether something neurological was going on. (Only "symptoms" were weird issues typing on my phone when I never had these issues on the android devices I'd used prior).
splittydev 4 hours ago [-]
I'm one of the developers of Mister Keyboard. If you want, you can give it a try! Everything essential is completely free, maybe it works out for you.
somebehemoth 3 hours ago [-]
For something that is as personal as a keyboard, it would be good to know what "Usage data" you are collecting and how it is used. I am eager to switch away from ios keyboard, but I do not trust most developers to have access to what I type. I understand it is "not linked to me", but this is an area where heavy skepticism is warranted.
ssgodderidge 2 hours ago [-]
This is exactly the reason why I haven't looked into other keyboards. Gboard seems like a google-sponsored key logger? Anyone know of some good privacy-focused ones?
hnthrowaway0315 3 minutes ago [-]
What's the point of this web page?
seven237 43 minutes ago [-]
The problem with Linux phone is app support. I dont know how it can compete with Apple or Android.
everyone 41 minutes ago [-]
What? there's probably millions of programs for Linux.
thewebguyd 17 minutes ago [-]
Sure there is. But not for wha people use their phones for.
Can I call an Uber from a Linux app? Pay for things with tap to pay? Food or grocery delivery? Public transit passes? Etc.
Windows phone tried to unseat the duopoly. The OS was surprisingly good. But, no one made apps so it died.
Same thing for Linux phones.
edit if Apple didn’t go through great lengths to cripple PWAs then it wouldn’t be as big a problem. But even all the various services are crippling their own websites to direct people to apps for that sweet sweet data harvesting.
satvikpendem 2 hours ago [-]
As an Android user of SwiftKey with swipe typing, can someone explain the whole iOS broken keyboard situation? I guess I literally don't understand what the issue is, is it not allowing people to type in the letters they press?
mattcantstop 1 hours ago [-]
There was a video posted in the article that demonstrates it better than a comment would. One of the most glaring defects these days are the keyboard registering the press on the correct letter, and then inputting a different letter. The keyboard is hot garbage right now.
satvikpendem 57 minutes ago [-]
Wow that video [0] is incredible, in a bad way. How can the OS correctly register the letter tapped but then input a different letter? That is like the most fundamental feature of a keyboard. It's not even autocomplete because the letters "Thj" as shown in the video don't even match any words that start with T. Glad I'm sticking to Android then, whose typing, you know, actually works, not even to mention how good (at least SwiftKey's) autocomplete and swipe typing is.
I feel like I’m the only one without major issues here. The autocorrect works, the keys I tap are right. Going to Android with the Android Keyboard drives me nuts.
orthodonticjake 3 hours ago [-]
Didn’t you mean “Apple, fix my keyboard before the timer ends or I’m leaving g iPhone”
nickorlow 3 hours ago [-]
I used to think the android keyboard(s) were terrible when I switched over to iOS, but now after switching back to a android, it feels leagues ahead of iOS 26's kb
yomismoaqui 20 minutes ago [-]
On a capitalist society your power is how you use your wallet (arguably more important than even the vote you do every 4 years).
So let's vote with our wallet.
kalterdev 3 hours ago [-]
I have recently switched from 7 Plus to 16e. Now I make typos all the time. I still do not know who I should blame primarily, my muscle memory or Apple.
kccqzy 2 hours ago [-]
I didn’t even need to switch. Merely upgrading the version of iOS increases my rate of typos.
pickleglitch 1 hours ago [-]
You send an email to customer service to complain. I build a whole ass website to complain. We are not the same.
Rover222 12 minutes ago [-]
I swear the current IOS keyboard is gaslighting me for some reason every time I use it. It's like a low-key torture.
aantix 2 hours ago [-]
I thought it was only me.
The autocomplete has a preference for proper nouns, even when they make zero sense .
The next suggested word is, at best, naive. Using the previous word, it would be clear that the subsequent suggestion would not be reasonable.
jader201 2 hours ago [-]
I’m glad this just isn’t me.
I’ve been noticing a slow decline in my iPhones ability to autocorrect or hit the key I wanted to hit (it’s already made two mistakes just typing this out).
I thought it was a “me” thing, and “there’s no way a feature like autocorrect or key sensing would regress”.
I prefer the iOS keyboard than over the Android ones. Why does my autocorrect work fine and my keys and swipe typing work, but not yours?
everybodyknows 2 hours ago [-]
> I randomly tried Android again for a few months last spring. Using a functioning keyboard was revelatory. But I came crawling back to iOS because I'm weak and the orange iPhone was pretty and the Pixel 10 was boring and I caved to the blue bubble pressure.
Here's a more substantive reason to prefer iPhone to Android: Android phones, mine anyway, have no option to suppress audible notification of incoming texts or calls from numbers not found in Contacts.
dawnerd 3 hours ago [-]
I thought they fixed the bug where autocorrect would add text but repeat one word in the middle so it would look like: “I’m trytrying to”
Been an issue for two years or so. Resetting, all that doesn’t help.
halapro 2 hours ago [-]
I don’t think the keyboard is any more broken than it has ever been. It works pretty well for me aside from its awful, awful repeated "corrections" it applies, I delete and it reapplies. This is not new at all.
There are a lot of broken things in iOS, just try any apps in landscape and you'll wonder if QA even realizes the iPhone has landscape.
Why the drama? If you do not like native keyboard, install 3rd party one like Gboard.
Someone1234 2 hours ago [-]
3rd Party Keyboards exist, but they don't have the same rights/abilities as Apple's native keyboard, directly resulting in some features/functions being impossible to implement.
vzaliva 1 hours ago [-]
Interesting (I am Android user myself). Any examples of such features?
Someone1234 1 hours ago [-]
- Apple's keyboard has richer context; third-party keyboards are largely limited to the text proxy (surrounding text/selection) and cannot inspect the host app/see the underlying context of where the text is used/what for.
- No caret/cursor control; cannot reliably set the cursor to arbitrary positions
- No custom dictation pipeline inside the keyboard; must rely on system dictation (or move voice input outside the keyboard).
- No camera access from the keyboard extension; blocks scan-to-type (OCR), QR/barcode capture, etc.
- Can do basic text expansions, but cannot implement privileged automation/macros that interact with other apps/UI or run broadly in the background.
- Due to aggressive lifecycle + tight resource limits constrain large language models/dictionaries; cloud sync/personalization
pxtail 4 hours ago [-]
I like it, bookmarked, let's see how this extortion fares
nathancahill 4 hours ago [-]
It's so bad. I think it has to do with touch targets because the slide to type is great in my opinion.
singpolyma3 3 hours ago [-]
You can use gboard on iOS and it's a bit better. But still not as good as Android.
riversflow 1 hours ago [-]
Maybe try this? I have great results on the ios keyboard by simply making two changes to the keyboard settings. I turn off auto-correct, and turn off slide to type. I made this transition when they first introduced slide to type, as that setting changes the touch algorithm to prefer where you lift from vs where you tap initially, or at least that’s how it felt. I also have turned off predictive text because I never use it, it’s faster for me to just type out the words than it for me to watch the predictive text.
stackedinserter 44 minutes ago [-]
HN, fix this stupid top navigation bar, or I'm leaving HN. Timer's started.
mlhpdx 3 hours ago [-]
I really hope someone at Apple is paying attention.
The text entry experience on iOS 26 really is frustratingly bad. Almost unusable (I’ve been going to the laptop for anything more than a few words).
It’s not just the keyboard (display glitches too), but the keyboard UX is particularly awful.
In the past, it seemed like Apple paid very careful attention to the minute details of timing size, etc. All that seems to have gone out the window with this liquid gas BS.
semiinfinitely 2 hours ago [-]
im not sure why you need to be so dramatic with the timer. just switch already if you don't like it
KaiserPro 2 hours ago [-]
The website sucks because I had to do work to understand the problem.
HOWEVER, the bug is interesting.
I can't reproduce this bug, but I have a suspicion as to what it is. As pointed out in the linked video the hitbox for buttons changes size based on predicted next letters.
The hitboxes are dynamic based on the most likley next letter. But that changes depends on your typing style. For example my real name is similar but not the same to a common english name. however both auto correct and the dynmaic hitbox allows me to reliably type my name, now.
This took time, but when I recently got a new work phone, I had to train it to accept my name.
TLDR: I don't think its a bug, I think its a learnt behaviour based on your most common words.
ex-aws-dude 3 hours ago [-]
Wow I thought it was just me
I’ve definitely noticed more typing errors
system2 50 minutes ago [-]
APPLE, this is real, stop ignoring it, I even looked at Samsung phones last week because of this. The amount of time I waste trying to correct or select mid-words is insane.
rootusrootus 3 hours ago [-]
With a couple brief exceptions, I've been an iPhone user since 2007. I'm not far from switching to Android myself. I'm not under any illusions that Google doesn't have some serious flaws, in some ways definitely worse than Apple, but from a usability standpoint I do find the keyboard and autocorrect behavior just atrocious on my iPhone.
It starts as annoyance, progresses to frustration, then overt anger at a lack of action from Apple. I'm at that last level now.
They pulled their head out of their ass when the MBP evolved into a frustrating pile of crap, and I think my 14" M2 Max MBP is my favorite laptop ever. So they DO sometimes listen to their users. Now is the time to listen again.
davedx 3 hours ago [-]
"the orange iPhone was pretty"
Yeah well...
4 hours ago [-]
neuroelectron 1 hours ago [-]
Anyone else feel like they're doing this on purpose because they want people contributing less words to the Internet, kind of like a throttle on training data, social media and communications?
Think about how much slower the output of the entire human race is because of one software issue.
thepaulthomson 36 minutes ago [-]
"now you're just a fruit that I used to know"
neuropacabra 3 hours ago [-]
I am not sure what I just read.
avazhi 4 hours ago [-]
Actively hostile is a good way of putting in. Absolute dogshit is another no less accurate description.
But I doubt Apple gives a fuck. They're too busy making promos about how much cardboard they're saving per year shipping their dogshit products, or sending their C suite guys to do WSJ interviews about how much they care about privacy and are a premium brand while at the same time working overtime to implement 3rd party ads into their own ecosystem. They just simply aren't at all aligned with the company that existed when Jobs was still around.
raphar 3 hours ago [-]
Android keyboards will make you return to iOS in less than a week
markstos 3 hours ago [-]
If only there were a viable third option besides Apple and the world's largest advertising company.
ActorNightly 2 hours ago [-]
There is, you can have an de-googled android.
It works, but very cumbersome. The value add in phones is really services, not the hardware/OS.
SilverElfin 2 hours ago [-]
They broke text selection and autocorrected things they don’t need it. Completely broken.
thenaturalist 2 hours ago [-]
Ain't gonna change nothing as long as the phones sell themselves.
Apple is beholden to its stockholders, not its customers.
puttycat 3 hours ago [-]
I keep an iPhone SE 1st gen as a secondary phone. It still has the last best keyboard iOS had. Almost zero mistakes. Probably because no AI and other overoptimizitation BS. Every time I go back to my primary 13 I want to cry.
Tempest1981 2 hours ago [-]
Are you a swipe typer or a tap typer?
mberning 35 minutes ago [-]
It’s honestly embarrassing that no leader at apple has enough juice to get this done.
jeffrallen 3 hours ago [-]
Apple: "you're holding it wrong"
dubeye 3 hours ago [-]
don't panic, he's bluffing
metabagel 3 hours ago [-]
What’s really disappointing is that Apple is making money hand over fist, and yet they seemingly make so little effort. Please Apple, for the love of all that is holy, fix cmd-tab, Ctrl-tab, and desktops on the Mac.
bigyabai 3 hours ago [-]
Apple's money comes from iPhone hardware and App Store revenue. That's it. Anything that's not directly related to bolstering those profit centers is chopped liver to Apple's business model.
If you're holding out hope for the Mac to be a first-class citizen, you might want to identify how it's making Apple money first.
kittikitti 3 hours ago [-]
I stand by this pledge. I even have a Clicks keyboard to avoid the iPhone one. I have an interesting hypothesis as to why, and it's counterintuitive. The larger the screen gets, the less accurate a touchscreen keyboard is. I picked up an original iPhone and started typing and it was outstanding how accurately and quickly I did.
Let's take an exaggerated example. Surely, a touchscreen keyboard the size of a flatscreen TV is too large. Maybe even the size of a regular computer monitor. So where is the happy spot, and why? I think it's because of our manual error-correction and the software error-correction. On the smaller iPhone keyboard, if I make a mistake, it's obvious and I click the backspace key. There's much less software error-correction on a smaller screen because of a smaller room for error per key. On larger screens, I find that if I touch a key at a certain angle, it will register an adjacent key through the software. I also find that my fingers have to travel farther, and that increases the rate of errors. Not only that, the obsession with decreasing bezel size requires me to hold the phone in weird ways so it doesn't register a swipe from the sides.
Personally, the iPhone 6 was peak iPhone. I find that the obsession with decreasing bezel size is also compulsive because it significantly increases miss-swipes and introduces weird work-arounds like the "notch", "island", or hidden sensors. The flat screen also made the keyboard desirable. It was also slow enough so that the surveillance from the autocorrect wasn't useful but fast enough for everything else.
deadbabe 3 hours ago [-]
> But I'd like to think it should mean something to the engineers, UX designers, product people, and whoever else had a hand in building this thing.
It means literally nothing. The people working at Apple now are just there for the paycheck. They push some prompts into an LLM, pick through the output, push something to production that satisfies the acceptance criteria, and move on.
There is no one staying up late doing extensive testing and refinement to get things perfect. There is no one taking pride in the work they’ve done when they push keys on the iOS keyboard. All that has been cut up and distributed through a system of tickets, teams, and managers so that the amount of pride that finally trickles down to engineers is barely more than the pride of taking a big shit.
varispeed 3 hours ago [-]
You would think someone had undergone a lobotomy or is having a stroke until you realise they have an iPhone. The autocorrect is so funny.
rootusrootus 2 hours ago [-]
That moment when you hit send only to notice right after it's too late that it auto "corrected" a few words of what you said into what it thinks you wanted to say.
nekusar 29 minutes ago [-]
Random whiner is whining.
News at 11?
fragmede 3 hours ago [-]
Google keyboard, anyone?
lloydatkinson 4 hours ago [-]
This explains why my typing has basically turned to shit on my iPhone meanwhile on PC it's been fine. Frustrating!
dwa3592 4 hours ago [-]
Apple's keyboard sucks on my iphone too. Everytime the autocorrect fucks up, I swear at tim cook in my head.
everyone 44 minutes ago [-]
Bro just leave, and switch to Linux phone.. Android is also totally shit.
TheAtomic 4 hours ago [-]
"We want to surprise and delight our customers" turned into fuck with and frustrate.
julienreszka 3 hours ago [-]
agreed, found an old android phone from 10 years ago it was better at typing than the latest (dogshit) iphone keyboard
john_alan 2 hours ago [-]
If iOS/macOS 27 isn't a snow leopard I'm gone too, I've been a user for nearly 30 decades... fuck this, it's all so sloppy, too many grievances to even begin enumerating.
carlosjobim 4 hours ago [-]
Impotent rage if I ever saw it. Where is the capacity of feeling shame or embarrassment?
tryauuum 1 hours ago [-]
such is the reality of the modern world. Either you whine on the internet impotently. Or you suicide bomb the HQ. These are the only two options to affect a corporation nowadays
GitHub ignores my requests to delete my account. What are my options? I will whine online because I'm not ready to break the law. This, or maybe I will bully the github employees in real life. What are my other options? I tried to find a lawyer in the european country where the github has an office, but got refused help.
peterisza 60 minutes ago [-]
just switch bro
SamuelAdams 4 hours ago [-]
This seem like an odd take. Android has bugs too, you just haven’t used it long enough to notice.
nixosbestos 4 hours ago [-]
> I caved to the blue bubble pressure
Had me until then. Zero respect for this, frankly.
metabagel 4 hours ago [-]
It’s a joke, just like “Apple, if that’s really your real name”.
ctxc 4 hours ago [-]
Can you elaborate? Is this a glassmorphism reference?
tempest_ 4 hours ago [-]
There has been an on-going meme around users using imessage getting messages from other imessage users which appear as one color and messages from android users(or anyone I think?) as another. So people know you are the android user in a group of apple users or whatever.
I did not think any one gave a shit outside of kids.
Zak 4 hours ago [-]
I have a group of adults in my social circle who won't migrate a group chat to anything other than iMessage so that I can participate. I'm genuinely angry at them for this and angry at Apple for its role in creating the situation.
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CodeMage 4 hours ago [-]
I just learned about this, too. It turns out that in the US, being an iPhone user is cool and being an Android user is lame, and you can tell who's who in group chats, because the messages that go over iMessage are represented with blue speech bubbles and the rest are in green bubbles.
Zak 4 hours ago [-]
That's not quite how it works. You can't have a group chat that's mixed iMessage and SMS/MMS.
If an iMessage user creates a group chat where not everyone is using iMessage, then it's MMS. I suppose now it could be RCS if everyone's using a device and carrier that supports RCS, but I haven't kept up with that. MMS has a bunch of limitations relative to any modern internet messaging app, so people don't want to use that.
Some people are also very reluctant to install third-party messaging apps.
CodeMage 2 hours ago [-]
Thanks. I don't actually have an iPhone, so my freshly acquired "knowledge" of this was based on reading about it on the Internet and I misunderstood what I read.
Zak 1 hours ago [-]
I don't either, but I'm familiar with the situation from talking to people who do.
The obvious answer is to just use any of the many third-party messaging apps, but in the USA it seems like there's always someone who thinks a one minute setup process and tapping a different colored icon is too much effort.
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TheDong 4 hours ago [-]
In most countries, the most used messenger app is Whatsapp or Wechat or LINE or KakaoTalk or whatever.
In the USA, the most common messenger is iMessage. Unfortunately, unlike all the other apps I named, there's no Android app for it. Instead, if you try to iMessage an android recipient, suddenly iMessage turns into your phone's SMS app (not really sure why, feels like that should be a separate app), and half the features go away.
You can no longer remove people from group chats (if any 1 of them has an android), you get strange messages sometimes, you don't get typing indicators. If they use RCS, and then go on a vacation to a country without RCS, suddenly your chat can break in very strange ways.
As a result, it's very common in the US for people to be ostracized from iPhone friend groups due to not having an iPhone.
When you use dating apps, if eventually you trade numbers and your partner is a green bubble, that's usually enough to end any chances at a relationship. Your family will remove you from the family group chat after the first low-resolution group photo.
A company made a solution to this called Beeper Mini, allowing people to have blue bubbles while using android phones, and Apple of course immediately shut it down because Apple wants the iOS club in the US to have this tangible social benefit, of you being able to have a wider dating pool, being able to talk to your family, and so on. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/10/apple-confirms-it-shut-...
It's a truly bizarre state of affairs.
retired 4 hours ago [-]
I’m honestly not sure which is more dystopian: the American blue/green bubble divide, or the situation in Spain where my doctor sends blood test results over WhatsApp, delivery drivers call me on WhatsApp, and couriers ask me to share my live location because they can’t find my building. Nearly all day-to-day communication is funnelled through a single Meta-owned channel.
TheDong 4 hours ago [-]
I think the least dystopian is a semi-government owned app, like WeChat in china.
iMessage is also controlled by a private company, and by my estimate, one of the most evil ones. Apple and Google are the two companies most complicit in feeding highly addictive and exploitative gambling apps to kids via their app stores, and they both profit massively off of it via 30% cuts.
retired 3 hours ago [-]
The least dystopian communication is email. Plenty secure, you are able to set-up your own server, you can communicate with everyone regardless of their OS or client. Rich text, photo support, video support. Open protocols.
A sort of email but then for short messages would be awesome.
fragmede 3 hours ago [-]
That's got to be the most dystopian one of them all! It's government owned, so conspiracy theory is that the CCP can see everything you write and hear and see in the app. Whatsapp is end to end encrypted, so meta knows your metadata, so they can show you ads, but that's tiny dystopia compared to the government of the country you live in reading and listening to everything you do on your phone
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wlesieutre 4 hours ago [-]
Wanting to have iMessage so your messages show up blue instead of green when you text iPhone people
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lecarore 4 hours ago [-]
In chat on the iphone, ios users see fellow ios users with blue bubbles, but see android peasants with green bubble. There's social pressure to "be blue like everyone else" and the author caved in.
lynndotpy 4 hours ago [-]
The social pressure is also technological. RCS integration was a big improvement but it's still not up to par.
It's not "ha, greens are poor", it's "android arnold can't be in the group chat because it'll fuck it all up"
TheDong 3 hours ago [-]
The tiny company behind Signal, and a bunch of even smaller companies making messengers, manage to make their app work just fine on iOS and android (and most of them on desktop too, some even in the browser).
For some reason, the (second) richest company on the planet, which has a messenger app, is incapable of making an android app for their messenger and chat protocol.
There's a technological issue, and it's nothing to do with RCS or SMS, it's that iMessage for some reason doesn't have an android version.
fragmede 3 hours ago [-]
It's a business decisions to do vendor lock in. "Free market"
munk-a 4 hours ago [-]
It's not a technical issue, iMessage, whatsapp and Signal can all internally communicate just fine. It's a corporation trying to exert monopolistic pressure to box out competitors by forcing additional social pressure.
bubblewand 3 hours ago [-]
Why does everyone describe this wrong, every single time this comes up? It’s the consistency of the wrongness that confuses me.
No, you do not see others’ messages as blue or green. You see your own as blue or green to indicate what kind of messages you are sending.
If it was ever otherwise, it certainly hasn’t been for many years.
nixosbestos 4 hours ago [-]
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ihaveone 3 hours ago [-]
"Oh no. Anyways"
ChrisArchitect 3 hours ago [-]
Ah yes, previously, the much-submitted, but took 2 months to get any traction, video:
iPhone Typos? It's Not Just You – The iOS Keyboard Is Broken [video]
This is basically how I view iphone users. They buy an inferior product because Apple exploited their lack of status. From moms, to teens, to low-middle income people... Heck, its even infected some perpetually single techies who are so insecure they buy the inferior Apple product.
These companies that exploit such psychology is disgusting. From Apple to Nintendo to Disney, there is something that feels immoral about how they market to their customers.
And you bet they have contracted out some marketing team to patrol every social media to downvote/upvote/comment as 'reputation management'...But hey they contracted them, plausible deniability.
metabagel 4 hours ago [-]
I switched to iPhone for battery life. Additionally, Apple isn’t an advertising company like Google.
However, I agree that Apple should cooperate with Google on messaging. Signal is so much better, but it’s hard to get people to switch.
roryirvine 2 hours ago [-]
Aren't all the major manufacturers clustered around roughly the same battery life?
Sure, there may be an hour or two's difference between equivalent models from different vendors, but it's nothing like the Garmin vs Apple watch situation - they're all in the same "it'll probably last a weekend, but definitely not a week" ballpark.
PlatoIsADisease 3 hours ago [-]
If you don't have concerns over security, don't care about AI, don't need niche apps, don't need tech/nerd apps, don't worry about vendor lock-in, I can totally see caring about battery life.
So how many days does your battery last? No that isnt a good question, How often do you run out of battery? No that isnt a good question, android users aren't running out of battery.
How did Apple convince you this mattered?
bigyabai 3 hours ago [-]
> Additionally, Apple isn’t an advertising company like Google.
What does "advertising company" mean? Apple does in-fact sell advertisements[0], and relies very heavily on marketing to convey their value proposition.
> > Additionally, Apple isn’t an advertising company like Google.
What does "advertising company" mean? Apple does in-fact sell advertisements[0], and relies very heavily on marketing to convey their value proposition.
That's how good they are advertising, they built a brand around how they don't use advertising.
temptemptemp111 2 hours ago [-]
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hyperhello 4 hours ago [-]
I did a lot of classic Mac programming in its day. I knew how to react to the events, and how to use a Color QuickDraw window’s RefCon, and how to mark parts of a window for redraw.
I don’t understand how it works internally anymore. I mean I can program it, but none of the way linear logic used to apply.
I’m concerned that it’s internally very overcomplicated, because that’s how software is supposed to be designed now, but the “simplicity” is like a second system effect. A whole layer that makes clicking a button appear to work, when really there is no code flow that resembles the process.
speak_plainly 4 hours ago [-]
Terrorizing Apple with a countdown threat is probably not going to accomplish much.
It may be even more obvious, but there are settings in general/keyboard that you can toggle.
I noticed a bit of a shift in the stock typing experience, but I adapted and it's fine.
Kovah 4 hours ago [-]
I recently tested Swiftkey after Typewise is sadly abandoned. It's sooooo much better than the stock keyboard. Not only is the auto-correct working incredibly well (garbage like witjoit is correctly transformed to without, which Apple Keyboard can't), Swiftkey also manages multi-language typing astonishingly well. Last but not least, I can customize it. I am also not signed in to my account, so no settings or whatever is stored on Microsoft servers.
eptcyka 4 hours ago [-]
Of course, the first party keyboard doesn't work, you should use the ones that definitely do not phone home to either Google or Microsoft.
Of course regular window management doesn't just work out of the box, you should install one of the many different window managers on macOS.
I was under the impression that to get a product that just works, I can buy Apple hardware, right?
speak_plainly 40 minutes ago [-]
Is this an actual bug or is this just a corrupt database or corrupt setting? What steps were taken to try to alleviate the issue, basics like resetting the keyboard dictionary? DFU restore of the phone? If you're not willing to troubleshoot an issue on your phone, rather than just throw it away and buy an Android, trying a 3rd party keyboard seems sensible to me.
Ultimately, Apple is responsible here but I don't think this is an intractable issue baked into the software. And yeah, maintenance is required despite what the perception might be. Apple even offers great support services for people who are not able to do it themselves.
Kovah 4 hours ago [-]
The sad part is, that Apple used to make somewhat stable, functional software. I started with the iPhone 3 and a bit later with Mac OS Snow Leopard.
It all started when Mr Cook decided to serve the shareholders, instead of focusing on Apple's core values. The software went downhill in such a speed in just a few years. And moving out of the ecosystem is a painful, if not unbearable, task that barely anyone loves to do. At least I can't even think about moving back to Android.
avazhi 4 hours ago [-]
Telling anybody to install third party shit to fix first party shit should have been a hint to you that what you're saying is laughable.
Throwing random nonsense about 'general/keyboard' settings (that don't exist, btw) because you yourself can't think of anything specific should have been another.
The keyboard, specifically the Autocorrect, is fucked and has progressively worsened over the past 5 years. It's atrocious today. This is a first party problem that shouldn't need 3rd party solutions, end of story.
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As for the underlying issue, I have experienced similar typing issues on my iPhone in recent months. It feels like someone changed the keyboard to optimize for some typing behavior that doesn't match my own, so the "optimizations" work against me. It's reminiscent of when the US Air Force redesigned their cockpits to match pilots' average measurements, only to discover that using averages just made the cockpits bad for everybody.[1]
[1] https://noblestatman.com/uploads/6/6/7/3/66731677/cockpit.fl...
Folks can thumb their noses at Reddit but the top comment in every post about iOS updates since 26.0 was released is some variation of "fix the keyboard." The problem seems very real for a lot of users.
Example but the issue not limited to web browsing; Safari will do nothing, I tap again, it does the thing, then it does the thing again due to the second tap. I have to tap back to get to where I really wanted to go.
What drives me insane though, is double tapping a word is supposed to select that word. But I think starting in iOS 18 it started selecting the word and a random amount of surrounding words, but only about half the time. I couldn't tell you what it could possibly be trying to do but it's maddening.
It was pretty hilarious to me that for so many years the keyboard on iOS only had CAPITAL letters. No matter the state of the shift key, the letters on the keyboard just stayed the same. After many years they finally figured it out, but it's one example of many about how Apple just doesn't have the great UX people claim they do.
If you tap while a word is selected, it won’t appear. If you tap on the cursor while a word isn’t selected, it will appear.
Also for some reason autocorrect seems to have gotten a lot worse. It has become nearly impossible to type a grocery list without all kinds of annoying wrong corrections.
It’s also not just one problem, autocorrect and the keyboard combined make for at least a dozen seemly different defects
- accidental periods when typing URLs in Safari
- key target inaccuracy (though turning off swipe-to-tect gas ikproved this a little, though not enough)
- key latnecy which causes letters innsome words to get swapped or extra unwated letters to appear (this could be a me-getting-older prblem, howeverg
- autocorrect suggesting words that I've never typed before (I turned on autocorrect for this list item to make sure i gave it a fair shake; it didn't suggest anything crazy this time, but the number of times it has in the past has led me to turning it off, even after iOS 18 wherein the keyboard supposedly used a small language model to improve suggestions)
I also type longform on my phone sometimes; the keyboard makes this much more exhausting than it needs to be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksVvXONrIo
However, if I, as the author cared to justify that "it's not only me", I would have listed more posts and feedback. I feel like I have read at least 4 times about the broken keyboard, it should not be hard to find a few other links.
Besides, users and developers don't always use software the same way, have the same settings, follow the same forums.
It just seems like, you could stop any iPhone user in the street and ask them "How do you find the keyboard?" And get a consistently negative response, but yet nobody within Apple seemingly has noticed for YEARS.
Everyone says iOS 26 did it, but I strongly disagree, I disabled most options in General -> Keyboard like three major iOS versions ago, and moved to Swiftkey* in iOS 18 (although iOS keeps changing my keyboard preferences back to the default).
*SwiftKey is also a shit-show with the "Your Tap Map" crap you cannot disable, where it moves the keys and makes the thing inconsistent. Just goes to show how bad Apple's keyboard is, when I'll put up with it.
I'm always mistyping and I don't know how to fix it to do what they want.
Fingernails won't trigger a touchscreen. They do matter, though - as your fingernails get longer, you're forced to tap the phone with the side of your fingertip (so the nail doesn't block you) instead of the front.
Then I watched Tim Cook have trouble with tapping the screen multiple times for one action at one of the older WWDCs pre-COVID.
I felt validated and exasperated. Does Tim just put up with this?
Imagine your an exec or manager on the team for keyboard development. You read this, get to the end to discover the user is gonna switch devices for... 2 whole calander years?
What's that amount to? Maybe 2 device upgrades on If your a die hard gotta have the newest latest model phone each year. Then what? you'll be back?
The threat doesnt even carry the weight losing a user for a 2 year blip, registers more as a dropped ping request then a drop in revenue.
If meant to be whimsical sure nailed it. To be fair I mean any boycot with a large scale mfg carries about the same weight. just thought it fell flat as much as anything.
It’s not about the one person, it’s about that person representing tens/hundreds/thousands of customers. This feedback is a gift to a product manager that listens.
During my last weeks on the iPhone, I reached out to various Apple discussion spaces on the web for help with some problems I was having.
I was met not with assistance, but ridicule. The majority of the people "helping" were saying some variation of "you're holding it wrong" or "I personally don't have that problem" (which is such a funny quirk of the Apple fandom - I didn't ask if you are having that problem, I'm asking for help achieving a specific outcome).
You can even see examples of this sort of behavior in that post about the window resize handles for the latest version of macOS. There were Apple fans saying some variation of it's not an actual problem, that they don't have that problem, that they don't use the window resize handles anyway, or that the post was an exaggeration. Turns out it was an actual problem that Apple addressed with a bug fix. Of course, Apple fans, being shameless, will jump to reframing the discussion from "Apple can do no wrong" to "See, Apple listens! You know who doesn't listen? Microsoft!!" I get it, not a monolith, but recognizing Apple fans aren't a monolith doesn't make them less off-putting.
The final nail in the coffin for me for the ecosystem was getting called a child for *checks notes* making the adult decision to move to Android to have a phone that did the things I needed (with much fewer annoying, uncritical fans and a lot more people who genuinely want to help).
So, yes, there is a danger in letting the fandom do all the work and laughing off "threats" of user exoduses. The conduct of Apple fans coupled with Apple's ignorance to regular users' feedback soured me to the ecosystem. It would take a lot to bring me back. And I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.
I legit feel like Apple should actually make a public statement like "we hear you, we're working on it!" because it is actually bad PR at this point.
Sure, but this is a duopoly and it's not as if the competition is perfect. A lot of issues like this simply don't matter because of that. The response that goes through the PM's head is likely to be along the lines of, "What you gonna do, switch to Android? Ha!"
> This is the same reason your toothpaste has a phone number on the back - that one random person who cares deeply calls the number and provides invaluable feedback on the product.
You'll notice that tech companies go out of their way to avoid offering that option.
The recent kerfluffle has been all the Liquid Glass stuff, I hear lots of people in my offline circle who aren’t reading every phone UI review who are trying various schemes to avoid or mitigate this update. It’s pretty bad! (The keyboard sucking is water under the bridge at this point, I think).
Kind of a big deal that something you'll likely use every time you pick up your device has been broken now for going on years, with no real movement on the issue.
It can't go viral until you actually make a post for people to find and promote. Step one has now been completed. Step two is gaining traction.
Little people can’t get the attention of large organizations without literally setting themselves on fire. Voting with your feet isn’t going to affect a trillion dollar company at all. Unless maybe you’re Dame Judy Dench.
> The threat doesnt even carry the weight losing a user for a 2 year blip
Agreed, but it may be different if there would be more people feeling in a similar way.
> If meant to be whimsical sure nailed it.
It's a bit strange though because there are many things one can critisize Apple for. My main gripe is still Steve Jobs underpaying developers via illegal agreements. Yet people praise him as if he would have been a god. I am not saying he had bad ideas or was a bad designer per se, but some people never even mention criminal activities for their heroes. The court case was mega-clear; that is undeniable. If he would still be alive I'd love to hear what people would say now.
I'm blown away by Apple building their own stores in competition with the franchisees who carried them those lean years.
This is one of the emptiest threats I’ve ever seen. This is about as effective as having a madman inside your house destroying your property with a baseball bat and saying “if you don’t stop smashing my stuff in the next 72 hours, I’ll consider writing mean things about you in my diary”.
No need to get specific. Write a blog post about how the keyboard is broken and say you’re leaving for another platform because of it. It’s not like Apple is going to check when you did it or for how long (or care). The theatrics are unnecessary and laughable, they undermine the whole message. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone inside Apple is sharing this with their colleagues and laughing.
I'm pretty sure the author realized that Tim Apple isn't shaking in his boots, looking at the numbers going down. That's not the point, the point is that it's funny and interesting and thus getting attention.
Nonsense. Complaints about Apple’s declining software quality get a lot of traction on HN. Here’s another example from today:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46997008
And lookie here, what was submitted within one hour of that post?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46996575
This exact same submission! Which didn’t get any traction then. The traction this is getting has little to do with the quality of the post, it’s popular because it’s another thread where we can air our grievances.
That’s not what I said. Upvoting one post has nothing to do with upvoting the other. They’re two wholly separate posts, the one thing they have in common is (rightfully) criticising Apple for declining software quality. The point is that this submission isn’t special, as the person I replied to suggested. These types of posts are a dime a dozen (which I approve of, I think Apple should be getting criticised for what they do wrong) and they get traction on HN all the time.
I upvoted this submission too, it’s not wrong. But I agree with the comment up the chain that it makes its point as a pretty weak threat, and that doing so undermines the message.
Anyway, why are you so upset about this? Why are you calling my comment "nonsense" and obsessing over this counter? It's clearly having an effect on you, which was its purpose. Realistically, another post about Apple's borked keyboard should create zero emotional response, yet here we are.
> Realistically, another post about Apple's borked keyboard should create zero emotional response
Of course that is not true. That is trivial to disprove.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46232528
It was never about loosing one single customer, it's about getting a bad reputation and loosing many more undecided potential customers.
I do wish I could get a “security patches only” update channel, though. Their declining software competency is visible and annoying.
Yes, this blog post is meant to be whimsical and tongue-in-cheek because the post takes itself too seriously by pretending like one user leaving to another platform (for 2 years GASP!!) with a big scary countdown timer is a credible threat to a multi-trillion dollar company. The real part of the post is the request and complaining about the bug.
Recently I said "I ran into this too earlier on the project" and it wrote "I run into this tube earlier on the project." So now I'm running into a tube... because this makes more sense than "too"? And it can never write the names of immediately family members I text about every single day, and it has 5th grade vocabulary so if I said I demurred or that something was germane or any other word beyond the 500 most common words it butchers it.
What I want: 1. let me handle the punctuation manually 2. assume a broader vocabulary 3. let me specify how people's names are pronounced!! How are we this many years in and it still misinterprets my wife's name on a daily basis?
As for names, I an also baffled. Most people in my family have either a Brazilian Portuguese or German name, but my work life is in English, so guess what, no getting anyone’s name right!
On macos there was a post a day or two ago about window arrangement which seems very inferior to windows. I was in the mac lab at school and was surprised that there's no multi item clipboard built in. The answer seems to be use a 3rd party app for these but it seems odd that such basic things aren't built in.
That being said clipboard history would be a nice addition. However I never want to see how long until my morning alarm, that’s one thing from android I don’t miss, it would give me immediate anxiety.
Regardless when you’re used to something it often doesn’t feel like “putting up with it”, and when you’re not used to something things that are totally fine can feel like you’re putting up with an annoyance. This works both ways.
Take any iphone user and put an android phone in their hands and within the first two months there will be a lot of things they’ll say “how do android users put up with this stuff” about too.
It’s fine. They’re both fine, it’s about what you’re used to more than anything.
My switching was due to a build up of minor frictions and frustrations with feeling like a second class citizen on iOS because I use largely gsuite apps rather than being bought into the Apple way for everything, with the last straw being the limitations on Pebble functionality.
Meanwhile the lock button long-press was hijacked for Siri, so now you have to click it five times if you want to turn off the phone.
And don't get me started on the useless back tap, which now displays a popup randomly, trying to seduce you into using it instead of a physical button, but the detection is so flaky I doubt anyone actually uses it.
International travellers will know that some apps will alter behavior or refuse to work based on your location, if it's provided. If I use a VPN, I want the app or website to use only the IP location*, not the radio location.
I too keep GPS off unless I am navigating.
They should stick to Claude Code, like everyone else.
Please correct me if I'm wrong - it is after all just a feeling.
There’s obviously new talent coming in to the industry but the attitudes are different, and talented people like to make new things not work on someone else’s legacy code.
So yeah I think it’ll continue to get worse until something new replaces iOS/Android/macOs/Windows hegemony.
I'm not saying it's dead, not by far, but it has become stale. The biggest innovation it has made in 10+ years was using their mobile processors in laptops.
Its true of many businesses outside tech too.
I had to downgrade to Mojave so the wheels likely came off internally around then.
They have been last to get Widgets. They don't have apps I use (terminals, emulators, pulse wave generators). Not to mention Gemini AI is actually really nice for scanning a screen and doing actions with it.
Apple is always 2nd place or worse. Except marketing, they are #1.
And in the meantime, they did use those first two years of Skylake for the 12" MacBook; the next update to the MacBook Air was after the last update the 12" MacBook ever got. For a while, the 12" MacBook was the more premium, thinner and lighter alternative to the MacBook Air with more advanced technology (and could plausibly have been construed as the intended successor to the MacBook Air), then in 2018 they merged back together with the introduction of the first MacBook Air with a Retina Display.
They sold old hardware for the same price 3 years later as if it was a premium product. They didn't really have an excuse, they've been the most valuable public company on earth since like 2010.
The three-year gap in processor updates you're complaining about disappears when you recognize the 12" MacBook as an attempt to move the product line in a different direction, which Apple partially backtracked on after a few years. That course correction was quite a bit quicker than for the Touch Bar MBPs and the trash can Mac Pro.
and if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle. As far as I can glean this was never something that they intended to do.
On desktop? Uh... There is a reason Nvidia is #1. Wake me up when I can get Nvidia on Apple.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ios/comments/1l2gg3r/thirdparty_ios...
tl;dr: gatekeeping by Apple. Yes, it would probably be embarassing to Apple if someone built a way better touch keyboard.
> Worse, it seems that proprietary means you can't do anything to fix them yourself.
We can install third-party keyboards on iOS, so I'm not sure why that's not being considered here.
This is a bad way to go through life with this reasoning. It is pretty well understood that in normal situations the vast majority of people are not vocal even if they feel the same way about things the vocal people are saying. As an example I use a lot, congress critters use a formula to get the pulse of the constituents. If they receive a hand written letter (yes, I learned about the formula when people did that), they'd multiply that by some factor knowing that if one person felt strongly enough to send in a letter that others also felt that way. Phone calls were the same, but with a smaller multiplier as it was easier to make a call that write a letter followed by emails with yet a smaller mult. This was all well before social media, but I'd imagine searching tweets would give a pretty good indicator as well now. A single tweet would be worth something, but tweets with lots of retweets and heavy comment activity would be something else. Even if a tweet is something done pretty much on a whim with little thought behind it like that letter.
The silent majority is called that for a reason. It doesn't mean they are happy or content. Ignore that reality at your own peril.
This is an extremely popular bit of apocrypha that's repeated ad nauseam across reddit. It's more like a political truism than an observation on the behaviors of the silent majority re: Apple users.
> The silent majority is called that for a reason. It doesn't mean they are happy or content. Ignore that reality at your own peril.
It doesn't mean they're discontent either.
This is so tiring of a lame excuse. I don't use reddit, so I don't know what that has to do with anything. As a high school kid, I volunteered with my congressman in his office and heard this directly from people working in the office. You can try to snipe anonymously from the internet, but it doesn't make me wrong.
Sidenote: please Apple, if I type the same misspelled (but not) thing two times in a row, just leave it be. And no, I did not mean "what the he'll". And why is selecting text so hard.
I just want a small set of commands that are easy to differentiate from each other, and a readback before executing the command. This is what phones did back in the days of Symbian, and I could reliably use one from a motorcycle helmet intercom without ever touching my phone. It's what air traffic controllers do, because even people can't reliably understand each other.
We've had decades of Apple and Google pretending that their voice recognition is so flawless it can understand anything and execute it immediately, but for petty much everyone except yourself they can't, so I can no longer use a hands-free phone. I'm glad I'm not blind.
I think I'm just #blessed with the specific American accent (or "no accent") they must have trained it on lol. On the other hand, Siri frequently mishears my wife who's from California but doesn't have what I would call an accent any different from mine, so who knows.
So consider the possibility that many people are affected but haven't reached the threshold of writing something about it.
Dear Tim Apple, I meant exactly what I typed please stop changing it because your product manager doesn't think I know English.
Even siri got worse, when I say call <nickname of my gitfriend> now it does some location based search, and calls sonebody, when near home it is a doctor, when on the other side of the river it is a flower shop, at othe rplaces other random non-contacts, with a contact having the sting it used for search, as her nickname is always part of the called person… It used to work flawlessly as expected…
I would be fine with Siri actually if if could handle simple fixed phrase based task, no AI, as it could a few years ago.
I’m lonely and really want a gitfriend to push and merge with! Please tell the story of how you got one!
/s for the /s impaired
In extreme cases, it terminates with a bisect.
Apple has shifted from working to produce quality to working to maximize profit ... when it comes to software.
The only thing that would change this would be a new CEO or Apple hemorrhaging money with more people buy alternative solutions.
To be fair ... Microsoft is in the same down hill spiral in quality and the IT industry staying with them allows form the to do this.
"Use it or your social group will not want to interact with you"
option.
Outside of tech circles (where apparently people easily get their entire family and friend network on signal), people want to use imessage and only want to use imessage. Android phones can't support imessage because they are poor low quality phones that cannot handle imessage. So you need a high quality phone like iphone so you can use imessage and easily communicate with your friends and family.
This strategy of leveraging friends and family to pressure people into getting iPhones was intentional and came out in the Epic trial lawsuit.
I shit you not there is a large percentage of people in the US that think Android phones are not capable of sending pcitures and videos.
Android phones can't use iMessage because Apple never opened it up, contrary to what Steve Jobs was hinting at back when it was released.
Nowadays I believe you can get a blue bubble when chatting from an Android with an iPhone user by using RCS / JOYN.
You are missing the /s right?
Maybe your "social group". If your friends refuse to talk to you because of the cell phone brand you use, I have bad news for you: They might not really be great friends.
The hard to tell part is I'm also crossing carriers to message them, so that might have been the issue as well.
Source? Would love to read this one lol
I'm regularly sending/receiving gifs and decent quality short videos between iOS and Android these days.
The quick explainer is phones send a user agent with the request to fetch a media message, this user agent contains a link to a file that describes what the device can handle. Apple and Blackberry hosted these files themselves, Verizon hosted most of the android ones on its network itself. They decommissioned the server hosting them a few years ago which made it so all affected devices pulled the lowest potato quality image down for compatibility. Huge number of complaints.
I see this in middle and lower-middle class people.
But in the upper-middle class, this is a non issue. We know how Apple manipulates people who struggle to spend $50/mo on a phone.
So the keyboard has been broken since iOS 17 (>2 years [1]), and to show your displeasure, you bought an iPhone Pro?
Your threat of leaving in 3 months rings hollow. All Apple has to do is verbally say things will get better and, if they can' even do that, you only commit to leaving for two years.
If you want to leave, just leave. I am confident that blue bubble pressure will exist in 3 months. I am also confident that the iPhone 18 Pro will be pretty. If a nice color and blue bubbles are enough to keep you in the iOS ecosystem today, why should anyone believe you will leave tomorrow?
[1] https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/06/ios-17-makes-iphone-m...
I do not expect someone to be a “single issue voter” with regards to any one bug. There is significant friction in switching platforms and you are just as likely to be annoyed by something else in the competition.
Do however note that it is possible to install another keyboard on iOS, which may alleviate your suffering before you switch to Android in about 120 days.
Personally I rely on Gboard [0] every day for the simple reason that it auto-detects several (more than two) languages, and of course it has the added benefit of not having this crazy bug. Gboard is google software however, so it does come with huge privacy issues, and others will hopefully point out better alternatives.
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gboard
The main benefit I've found with Gboard is a larger vocabulary, and perhaps a less aggressive autocorrect that doesn't constantly try to correct technical terms into similar common words.
Ha! I feel this. I was a long time Android user since the original G1 (aka HTC Dream). Was a strictly Pixel phone user for my last 4 phones. Recently jumped over to iPhone. For the most part I’m enjoying it.
There are minor things, like the keyboard being annoying to type with. For instance, when I’m typing something into the URL bar of Safari, for some reason, I’m constantly hitting the period key next to the space bar, and I feel like I’m not anywhere close to it.
I also find it confusing how to dismiss the keyboard. Android had a very clear icon for this, on iOS it’s just a checkmark which is a little misleading in my opinion.
On iOS, speech to text is pretty good, but I have to annunciate clearly, where I felt that android was a little bit more forgiving.
Another issue I’ve noticed is that I don’t think the GPS (or maybe it’s just Google maps) is as accurate as it is on android. On iOS, if I’m on a highway it sometimes thinks I’m on the shoulder road next to the highway. So I’m constantly being rerouted to get back on the highway. I felt like I didn’t have that on android.
Back to the blue bubble thing though. Being the one and only android user amongst my friends and even my wife, I was always hearing about how I ruined the chat. I didn’t realize until switching over to iOS just how integrated everything is and what you can do in the chat when everybody else is on iOS, like editing previous messages, being able to answer messages via your Messages app on your laptop, and of course, not having images and videos getting compressed terribly. Although RCS chat improved that more recently.
One thing I do love is that automation and shortcuts is something that’s natively part of the system and that I don’t to install some app like Tasker or whatever the more modern version of that is.
At this point, I really like both of the OSes. What made me actually finally switch over was that everyone I knew who had an iPhone would have it for like five or more years and I was going through pixel phones every two years. I got tired of spending all that money.
I guess this is really important to people.
One time I broke an Android, which happened to be white, and spoke to the insurer for a replacement. The agent insisted she find me another white phone, not another Android, and though an iPhone was suitable. She couldn't grok how the OS and phone specs were more important than the color.
This had me simultaneously chuckling and sad, because it feels very true.
Especially around text editing. It seems like they made some fundamental mistakes with their text inputs that they are playing hard defense on. I never know if a given field is going to respond to long-press, double tap, or what context menu I will get if any.
In safari browser, if you want to go to the menu where you can favorite/bookmark a page, the tiles on the menu are literally different and in different order every time. Sometimes you might need to press an additional button to find what you're looking for, sometimes it's there, sometimes clicking "favorite" will just go "ok, favorited" message, other times it asks for an extra prompt. Like, why? Just be consistent, I can adjust to all the "PM trying to save their role by reinventing something that isn't needed" like liquid glass, but the usability itself suffers all over the place in the latest ios releases. It's very difficult to understand, because up until a little while ago it had been consistently very good.
That means that all of the polish work is shoved to the bottom of the stack until it reaches sufficient critical mass that someone finally makes time for engineers to pick some of it back out.
That, I think, is the critical failure of modern Apple. The company used to understand that polish could be more important than something new and flashy, and they've forgotten that in favor of marketing and Liquid Glass.
My Pixel 10 is in a pretty orange case. Furthermore, if I get sick of it, it's not too big of a deal to change. Maybe I'll even figure out how to 3d print one!
FWIW: Pretty much everyone keeps their phone in a case today. Seems to make a lot more sense to focus on the case instead of the aesthetics of the phone.
wow, such a commitment. Not only it's as said only one customer but it is a customer who thinks "for good" is just skipping one phone. Which means she/he usually buys phone every single year.
What a bold and committed move. It's astonishing...
I know this is somewhat a joke site, but I think admitting this really proves Apple's dominance and doesn't really help in making your case. So long as the walled garden / "platform" approach still works, enshittification will continue
Most of those problems aren't solved by software. You are using your phone as a fashion item.
https://qskinz.com/en-us/collections/google-pixel-10-skins/p...
The fact that this is a real thing is ridiculous. Say no and move on with life. This is the type of freedom that is actually freeing.
SMS and as a result iMessage is the dominant text based chat.
iPhones have become the default smartphone, and is a status symbol compared to Android.
Mac vs Windows is similar on the laptop front.
Which means if your an Android user in a relatively average social group:
* You will get left out of group messages
* You will be starting on a back foot in the dating scene
On top of you wont be able to answer messages from friends on your laptop, because again, sms is dominant, not whatsapp.
Now don't shoot the messenger here. I don't like it either, but this is the social/technical reality in NA at the moment.
Samsung and LG make high-end phones, and there are plenty of good personal computer vendors. And Windows is certainly a desktop OS that some people choose.
Apple doesn't offer any services unique to itself. It does offer a slick-looking and well-marketed "ecosystem" which is really just a bunch of different things that you could get from other vendors.
The only way out is either regulation or a whole paradigm shift that renders phones irrelevant. I'm not sure the latter will happen any time soon.
Apple: Father knows best (but Father is getting old and sometimes forgets things)
Windows: If only we understood what the ancestors knew
Apple is more "here's this refined product which we designated as refined after a heavy session snooting cocaine off a toilet seat"
Sure, Jan. Next you'll tell me that Google isn't evil and Apple truly does care about human rights.
Course, I can switch to a different launcher, but it makes it much less of a "batteries included" sort of product.
I always wonder who makes these decisions and whether they fancy themselves a designer.
Disabling 'Predictive Text' seems to correct the bug; however, there must be something in the algorithm that's causing this that Apple does need to fix.
I begrudgingly accept autocorrect on iOS however. On a real computer, I turn that off too. I have learned since a long time ago that writing and editing should be two separate activities.
Possibly re-tuning of some LLM parameters? Or forgetting some bad learnings... sounds like it's specific to a small-ish percent of users.
A lot, I mean, about 80% of my ”não” (I speak Portuguese) are becoming just ”na”. And about 50% of my ”mais” are becoming ”mas”.
“o” and “i” are next to each other at the top row, so I wondered if the keyboard got smaller and my thumb automatic moviment became discalibrated.
But… I started to often see ”na” where it should be ”não” in other people’s texts.
Turns out it is a bigger issue it seems
And then it was all removed in a software update.
Nevertheless, I shouldn't have to disable this (and AutoCorrect, as that has definitely gotten worse) on iOS, especially when Google's GBoard is as good as it is.
Anyone else remember the days when you switched to iOS for its legendary keyboard? I want those days back!
Being free to leave the iOS ecosystem is the biggest flex anyone can make to enforce beneficial change.
E.G. Signal is the iMessage killer.
What’s your answer around lockdown, security, updates, hardware, iCloud replacement, AirPods etc
The project is abandoned but it still works well. I hope someone sees this and gets inspired to build something to replace it. If you do you can have my money!
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/nintype/id796959534
Hard deal breaker. And alternative keyboards in iOS feel second class in some ways, so we really rely on Apple to get it right.
Over the course of each year-long iOS version life, I've become used to it sucking for a bit, either at the beginning (with bug fixes improving things) or towards the end (where, I assume, accumulated learning diverges from clean slate behavior.)
I suspect that the keyboard team is pegged with using new features on the silicon (Neural processing in earlier processors, then Neural Engine with newer processors) and they're doing what they can when tasked with new code.
But man, iOS4 didn't have all that and the keyboard was GREAT.
If your decision-making is this poor, you cannot say for sure that you're leaving iPhone.
But, if this post goes viral, it will affect the stock price and Tim Cook will pay attention. It makes me brainstorm other "stock manipulation" schemes with the sole goal of improving product quality.
If Apple is getting occasional feedback about a mysterious bug, but it's near impossible to reproduce, what can they do?
:(
Agree at this point that I would disable it (in its current state) if I could, but when it worked correctly it was a huge boon to typing.
Apple employees reading this right now: "IDGAF about the keyboard, I made 500k in TC last year."
He sure showed them. The people I know using super old iphones are doing more than their public commitment to buy more apple products as often as they can -- after a brief tolerance break, of course.
Can I call an Uber from a Linux app? Pay for things with tap to pay? Food or grocery delivery? Public transit passes? Etc.
Windows phone tried to unseat the duopoly. The OS was surprisingly good. But, no one made apps so it died.
Same thing for Linux phones.
edit if Apple didn’t go through great lengths to cripple PWAs then it wouldn’t be as big a problem. But even all the various services are crippling their own websites to direct people to apps for that sweet sweet data harvesting.
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hksVvXONrIo
So let's vote with our wallet.
The autocomplete has a preference for proper nouns, even when they make zero sense .
The next suggested word is, at best, naive. Using the previous word, it would be clear that the subsequent suggestion would not be reasonable.
I’ve been noticing a slow decline in my iPhones ability to autocorrect or hit the key I wanted to hit (it’s already made two mistakes just typing this out).
I thought it was a “me” thing, and “there’s no way a feature like autocorrect or key sensing would regress”.
I was apparently wrong.
Here's a more substantive reason to prefer iPhone to Android: Android phones, mine anyway, have no option to suppress audible notification of incoming texts or calls from numbers not found in Contacts.
Been an issue for two years or so. Resetting, all that doesn’t help.
There are a lot of broken things in iOS, just try any apps in landscape and you'll wonder if QA even realizes the iPhone has landscape.
It’s only 2 min 24 sec.
- No caret/cursor control; cannot reliably set the cursor to arbitrary positions
- No custom dictation pipeline inside the keyboard; must rely on system dictation (or move voice input outside the keyboard).
- No camera access from the keyboard extension; blocks scan-to-type (OCR), QR/barcode capture, etc.
- Can do basic text expansions, but cannot implement privileged automation/macros that interact with other apps/UI or run broadly in the background.
- Due to aggressive lifecycle + tight resource limits constrain large language models/dictionaries; cloud sync/personalization
The text entry experience on iOS 26 really is frustratingly bad. Almost unusable (I’ve been going to the laptop for anything more than a few words).
It’s not just the keyboard (display glitches too), but the keyboard UX is particularly awful.
In the past, it seemed like Apple paid very careful attention to the minute details of timing size, etc. All that seems to have gone out the window with this liquid gas BS.
HOWEVER, the bug is interesting.
I can't reproduce this bug, but I have a suspicion as to what it is. As pointed out in the linked video the hitbox for buttons changes size based on predicted next letters.
The hitboxes are dynamic based on the most likley next letter. But that changes depends on your typing style. For example my real name is similar but not the same to a common english name. however both auto correct and the dynmaic hitbox allows me to reliably type my name, now.
This took time, but when I recently got a new work phone, I had to train it to accept my name.
TLDR: I don't think its a bug, I think its a learnt behaviour based on your most common words.
I’ve definitely noticed more typing errors
It starts as annoyance, progresses to frustration, then overt anger at a lack of action from Apple. I'm at that last level now.
They pulled their head out of their ass when the MBP evolved into a frustrating pile of crap, and I think my 14" M2 Max MBP is my favorite laptop ever. So they DO sometimes listen to their users. Now is the time to listen again.
Yeah well...
Think about how much slower the output of the entire human race is because of one software issue.
But I doubt Apple gives a fuck. They're too busy making promos about how much cardboard they're saving per year shipping their dogshit products, or sending their C suite guys to do WSJ interviews about how much they care about privacy and are a premium brand while at the same time working overtime to implement 3rd party ads into their own ecosystem. They just simply aren't at all aligned with the company that existed when Jobs was still around.
It works, but very cumbersome. The value add in phones is really services, not the hardware/OS.
Apple is beholden to its stockholders, not its customers.
If you're holding out hope for the Mac to be a first-class citizen, you might want to identify how it's making Apple money first.
Let's take an exaggerated example. Surely, a touchscreen keyboard the size of a flatscreen TV is too large. Maybe even the size of a regular computer monitor. So where is the happy spot, and why? I think it's because of our manual error-correction and the software error-correction. On the smaller iPhone keyboard, if I make a mistake, it's obvious and I click the backspace key. There's much less software error-correction on a smaller screen because of a smaller room for error per key. On larger screens, I find that if I touch a key at a certain angle, it will register an adjacent key through the software. I also find that my fingers have to travel farther, and that increases the rate of errors. Not only that, the obsession with decreasing bezel size requires me to hold the phone in weird ways so it doesn't register a swipe from the sides.
Personally, the iPhone 6 was peak iPhone. I find that the obsession with decreasing bezel size is also compulsive because it significantly increases miss-swipes and introduces weird work-arounds like the "notch", "island", or hidden sensors. The flat screen also made the keyboard desirable. It was also slow enough so that the surveillance from the autocorrect wasn't useful but fast enough for everything else.
It means literally nothing. The people working at Apple now are just there for the paycheck. They push some prompts into an LLM, pick through the output, push something to production that satisfies the acceptance criteria, and move on.
There is no one staying up late doing extensive testing and refinement to get things perfect. There is no one taking pride in the work they’ve done when they push keys on the iOS keyboard. All that has been cut up and distributed through a system of tickets, teams, and managers so that the amount of pride that finally trickles down to engineers is barely more than the pride of taking a big shit.
News at 11?
GitHub ignores my requests to delete my account. What are my options? I will whine online because I'm not ready to break the law. This, or maybe I will bully the github employees in real life. What are my other options? I tried to find a lawyer in the european country where the github has an office, but got refused help.
Had me until then. Zero respect for this, frankly.
I did not think any one gave a shit outside of kids.
If an iMessage user creates a group chat where not everyone is using iMessage, then it's MMS. I suppose now it could be RCS if everyone's using a device and carrier that supports RCS, but I haven't kept up with that. MMS has a bunch of limitations relative to any modern internet messaging app, so people don't want to use that.
Some people are also very reluctant to install third-party messaging apps.
The obvious answer is to just use any of the many third-party messaging apps, but in the USA it seems like there's always someone who thinks a one minute setup process and tapping a different colored icon is too much effort.
In the USA, the most common messenger is iMessage. Unfortunately, unlike all the other apps I named, there's no Android app for it. Instead, if you try to iMessage an android recipient, suddenly iMessage turns into your phone's SMS app (not really sure why, feels like that should be a separate app), and half the features go away.
You can no longer remove people from group chats (if any 1 of them has an android), you get strange messages sometimes, you don't get typing indicators. If they use RCS, and then go on a vacation to a country without RCS, suddenly your chat can break in very strange ways.
As a result, it's very common in the US for people to be ostracized from iPhone friend groups due to not having an iPhone.
When you use dating apps, if eventually you trade numbers and your partner is a green bubble, that's usually enough to end any chances at a relationship. Your family will remove you from the family group chat after the first low-resolution group photo.
A company made a solution to this called Beeper Mini, allowing people to have blue bubbles while using android phones, and Apple of course immediately shut it down because Apple wants the iOS club in the US to have this tangible social benefit, of you being able to have a wider dating pool, being able to talk to your family, and so on. https://www.macrumors.com/2023/12/10/apple-confirms-it-shut-...
It's a truly bizarre state of affairs.
iMessage is also controlled by a private company, and by my estimate, one of the most evil ones. Apple and Google are the two companies most complicit in feeding highly addictive and exploitative gambling apps to kids via their app stores, and they both profit massively off of it via 30% cuts.
A sort of email but then for short messages would be awesome.
It's not "ha, greens are poor", it's "android arnold can't be in the group chat because it'll fuck it all up"
For some reason, the (second) richest company on the planet, which has a messenger app, is incapable of making an android app for their messenger and chat protocol.
There's a technological issue, and it's nothing to do with RCS or SMS, it's that iMessage for some reason doesn't have an android version.
No, you do not see others’ messages as blue or green. You see your own as blue or green to indicate what kind of messages you are sending.
If it was ever otherwise, it certainly hasn’t been for many years.
iPhone Typos? It's Not Just You – The iOS Keyboard Is Broken [video]
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46232528
>I caved to the blue bubble pressure
This is basically how I view iphone users. They buy an inferior product because Apple exploited their lack of status. From moms, to teens, to low-middle income people... Heck, its even infected some perpetually single techies who are so insecure they buy the inferior Apple product.
These companies that exploit such psychology is disgusting. From Apple to Nintendo to Disney, there is something that feels immoral about how they market to their customers.
And you bet they have contracted out some marketing team to patrol every social media to downvote/upvote/comment as 'reputation management'...But hey they contracted them, plausible deniability.
However, I agree that Apple should cooperate with Google on messaging. Signal is so much better, but it’s hard to get people to switch.
Sure, there may be an hour or two's difference between equivalent models from different vendors, but it's nothing like the Garmin vs Apple watch situation - they're all in the same "it'll probably last a weekend, but definitely not a week" ballpark.
So how many days does your battery last? No that isnt a good question, How often do you run out of battery? No that isnt a good question, android users aren't running out of battery.
How did Apple convince you this mattered?
What does "advertising company" mean? Apple does in-fact sell advertisements[0], and relies very heavily on marketing to convey their value proposition.
[0] https://ads.apple.com/app-store/help/ad-placements/0082-sear...
What does "advertising company" mean? Apple does in-fact sell advertisements[0], and relies very heavily on marketing to convey their value proposition.
That's how good they are advertising, they built a brand around how they don't use advertising.
I don’t understand how it works internally anymore. I mean I can program it, but none of the way linear logic used to apply.
I’m concerned that it’s internally very overcomplicated, because that’s how software is supposed to be designed now, but the “simplicity” is like a second system effect. A whole layer that makes clicking a button appear to work, when really there is no code flow that resembles the process.
You could try installing Gboard (https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/gboard-the-google-keyboard/id1...), or SwiftKey (https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/microsoft-swiftkey-ai-keyboard...)...and there are probably other options.
It may be even more obvious, but there are settings in general/keyboard that you can toggle.
I noticed a bit of a shift in the stock typing experience, but I adapted and it's fine.
Of course regular window management doesn't just work out of the box, you should install one of the many different window managers on macOS.
I was under the impression that to get a product that just works, I can buy Apple hardware, right?
Ultimately, Apple is responsible here but I don't think this is an intractable issue baked into the software. And yeah, maintenance is required despite what the perception might be. Apple even offers great support services for people who are not able to do it themselves.
Throwing random nonsense about 'general/keyboard' settings (that don't exist, btw) because you yourself can't think of anything specific should have been another.
The keyboard, specifically the Autocorrect, is fucked and has progressively worsened over the past 5 years. It's atrocious today. This is a first party problem that shouldn't need 3rd party solutions, end of story.