I'm about to head to the gym with my 12.9-inch 2017 vintage iPad Pro, which is still going strong. I prop it up on the elliptical trainer every other day or so for entertaining me while I grind out an hour of cardio. I use it for reading, watching YouTube, listening to music, audiobooks, etc. It's been my regular gym buddy for years, and is showing no signs of needing to be replaced.
It's stuck on iPadOS 17.7.10, which is fine. I can only imagine that these new generation iPads will easily go for the next 10 years.
kkylin 51 minutes ago [-]
I had an even older iPad I was happily using for similar use cases. Until one day a family member bricked it and I needed to factory reset. No big deal, I thought -- nothing important on it. Turns out it needed to phone home to do the factory reset, and since the server it wanted to talk to was no longer up (or perhaps the address changed?) I couldn't factory reset the iPad.
If someone has a work-around I'd love to hear it. Until then, or until Apple changes this design, I think I'm done with iPads. I don't want to pay that much to "own" something that Apple can simply make obsolete by reconfiguring or turning off a server somewhere.
Edit: fix typo
saltwounds 39 minutes ago [-]
You should be able to DFU, but when it phones home it'll require a software upgrade
vlovich123 30 minutes ago [-]
Apple recently had an issue with expired certs they had to remedy. That tends to be their bottleneck now.
nicbou 25 minutes ago [-]
My iPad Mini from 2020 is also surprisingly good today. It's one of those devices that just quietly do their job forever. They are a dying breed.
layer8 1 minutes ago [-]
> It's one of those devices that just quietly do their job forever.
Except for the battery, which isn’t that easy to replace on an iPad.
qingcharles 23 minutes ago [-]
Have a 7th gen iPad from 2019 I use as my daily driver. Has iOS 18 and works great. Was $80 on eBay a year or so ago.
davio 22 minutes ago [-]
I have an iPad 4 that is now a single purpose scorekeeper for darts
t-3 52 minutes ago [-]
How is the battery doing? I find sudden rechargeable battery/controller failures in the 5-10 year range to be my most common cause of upgrade or repair.
spudlyo 3 minutes ago [-]
It usually lasts 3-4 sessions. I power it off between uses to preserve battery.
swiftcoder 47 minutes ago [-]
Kind of luck of the draw on that one, I think. I have a first-gen iPad Mini on its original battery around here somewhere. Doesn't run for more than a couple of hours on a charge, but it also hasn't exploded yet...
maCDzP 43 minutes ago [-]
I bought magnetic self adhesive tape and mounted in on my fridge. Now it’s the family calendar. So nice.
Insanity 42 minutes ago [-]
That seems incredibly overpowered for a calendar lol. I imagine doing this with a kindle / e-ink display might also be more energy friendly.
game_the0ry 19 minutes ago [-]
Just curious, why don't you just use your iphone? Why the ipad? Why do you prefer it over an iphone?
spudlyo 46 seconds ago [-]
The big screen fits perfectly over the elliptical’s display, the readability of ebooks (my most common use) is superior.
dogma1138 14 minutes ago [-]
Can’t speak for the OP but I do the same because the screen is bigger and you don’t have to look down as much and strain your neck.
Almondsetat 56 minutes ago [-]
They can only go as far if Apple doesn't deprecate them, unfortunately
dylan604 48 minutes ago [-]
Depends on how you look at it. While the hardware might keep functioning and current software might keep running, some devs also deprecate their software. I have an old 6S+ that I keep software that I don't want to install on my actual device. Slack informed me that it will no longer function after a date set later this year. Other apps have already stopped working on it because the devs do not want to deal with it.
TL;DR sometimes it's not Apple, it's the app devs that deprecate them.
TheDong 6 minutes ago [-]
I have a google nexus 7 tablet from 2013. Thanks to Google unlocking all their bootloaders by default, I can install u-boot and a modern linux kernel on it (thanks PostmarketOS).
Since linux runs on it, I can run the latest versions of great pieces of software like ed, slack in a web browser, etc.
It is 100% apple's fault that they do not open up the bootloader for devices they'll no longer offer updates for and allow the community to build a custom darwin or linux fork. Even though we paid for the hardware, we are not allowed to use it any longer than apple says.
swiftcoder 33 minutes ago [-]
> TL;DR sometimes it's not Apple, it's the app devs that deprecate them.
Are the app devs deprecating just because their support matrix is too big, or because current SDKs will no longer build apps compatible with those devices?
I think the later case is less common on the Android side of the fence, but Apple is not great about keeping old versions of the dev tools functional, and you end up needing to keep elderly Macs around to target older versions of the OS.
mantas 16 minutes ago [-]
As ex-iOS dev, usually it's because devs want the new shinny APIs. And after some point stakeholders are OK to stop supporting a tiny percentage of users stuck on old iOS versions. In my experience it was never because of Apple.
vintagedave 1 hours ago [-]
My current iPad is the iPad Air 3 (the one with the backlight issue that's never been acknowledged, to my understanding.)
Can someone explain to me why an iPad at all, let alone an iPad Air, needs as powerful a processor as a M4? That's stronger than my laptop (a M2) where I run multiple VMs and more.
Aurornis 53 minutes ago [-]
The newer CPUs are more efficient and faster. In a mobile format you want the CPU to process everything as fast as possible and then return to a low power mode for battery life.
Apple re-uses the same core across their lineup because it’s cheaper to build 100 million of the same core than to design and maintain two separate CPUs that go into 50 million devices each.
nothercastle 46 minutes ago [-]
The cpu is better but the software is worse and more bloated so they fight against each other
wlesieutre 30 minutes ago [-]
I have an iPad Pro (2018) with A12X processor which at one point was a "holy crap this this is incredibly fast for how thin it is" device.
8 years later the local apps still run fast, but it struggles with web browsing.
Which is to say, you need a fast processor or web developers will out-bloat your device capabilities in a few years.
dagmx 42 minutes ago [-]
Can you explain, why not? If it’s easier for Apple to just maintain a fewer series of chips going forward, why not keep it up to date?
If your question is what do people use it for? Well thats different. iPads have a range of users from people who just browse the internet and will never stress this out, to people who do concept art and CAD who will appreciate the power.
But again, why do people always complain that a device got a spec bump?
surajrmal 1 hours ago [-]
In theory it improves battery life by doing more for less power. It also future proofs it for future workloads giving it an extended lifespan. Also note that thermals will limit what this is capable of compared to your laptop.
pchew 1 hours ago [-]
I have an iPad for the purpose of 3D modeling in Nomad Sculpt and Shapr3D. It’s an M2 Air, it’s still way overkill, and I’m regularly frustrated at how limited every piece of iPadOS software is compared to the hardware. The dichotomy of prioritizing iPad hardware but iPadOS being arguably their worst actively developed software is baffling.
Maybe there are people out there doing 8k video editing on their Pros, but I’ve yet to meet them.
harrall 23 minutes ago [-]
Photoshop and video editing. Until the M chips, the app options were slim, and now iPads get new M chips as they come out.
You might ask — doesn’t it suck to do either on an iPad? Yep, yet even on my iPhone, I use Photoshop all the time.
VMs are not very CPU demanding usually — usually more RAM demanding.
varispeed 14 minutes ago [-]
How do you do any productivity on it if getting files in and out is such a pain?
I had M4 iPad PRO and is just collecting dust. Too clunky to use.
tiffanyh 1 hours ago [-]
It's Operations Management 101.
It's cheaper to use an old generation CPU, than the effort needed to design and manufacture a custom iPad only chip.
Same reason why the Studio Display uses binned iPhone chips.
stetrain 1 hours ago [-]
There are some decently powerful apps available, like Final Cut Pro, and there is multi-window support including external displays.
I think the percentage of iPad users actually using this level of processing power is small, but there are some ways to do it.
I do really wish they would just allow running a VM on an iPad though at this point. Running a linux or even MacOS VM would be a nice escape valve for a lot of things that can't be done natively.
AnthonyMouse 1 hours ago [-]
In theory an iPad is a computer and then you could run whatever you want on it. So maybe the better question is, why can't you run whatever you want on it?
aNoob7000 1 hours ago [-]
They don't need it. Apple is introducing new hardware for the sake of introducing new hardware.
Personally, they need to put the iPad on a two-year release cycle and focus on improving iPad OS.
sh3rl0ck 1 hours ago [-]
I assume it's an economies of scale thing now.
It's not like Apple is putting any thought into either the UX or the engineering side of utilising the compute properly (except calculating those glass effects extra inefficiently).
Minimise SKUs and get some use out of the binned chips who have a few failed cores.
tonymet 25 minutes ago [-]
Poor software quality, especially websites
Noaidi 45 minutes ago [-]
> Can someone explain to me why an iPad at all, let alone an iPad Air, needs as powerful a processor as a M4?
Because marketing? Seriously, the people I see using iPads in coffee shops are rich retired dudes looking at the news on it.
bookofjoe 29 minutes ago [-]
Because fanbois don't want to wait another year for M5?
kalterdev 58 minutes ago [-]
Now you can bring the power and convenience of your laptop to iPad with just a single VNC connection. Oh wait…
kandros 1 hours ago [-]
Pure marketing, in a couple years it will start lagging doing basic web surfing, like every other iOS device
NetMageSCW 42 minutes ago [-]
That has never been true. My iPhone 15 Pro and iPad M1 have no lag.
css_apologist 59 minutes ago [-]
This is an incredible piece of hardware, I just don't know what to do with it
how is music production on it these days?
piva00 16 minutes ago [-]
Still subpar, only real DAW available is Logic Pro, the audio stack behaves differently than macOS, no support for VSTs but has support for the AU format.
A friend who I make music together had an iPad that we tried to add to the setup, in the end after some months we chucked it aside and just got a MacBook for our shared studio instead.
dgxyz 43 minutes ago [-]
I had the same problem with my M4 Pro. So I sold it.
revolvingthrow 7 minutes ago [-]
I don't understand the target audience of ipad air.
The base ipad is "really big iphone, with a few laptop-esque features". It's reasonably cheap for what it offers, especially if you want a highly mobile media consumption device and handwritten input.
Then there's ipad pro, which is wildly overpriced for its specs -- m4 pro has half!! the ram that the cheaper m4 macbook air has, which is laughable for a 'pro' anything, especially if you have apple intelligence enabled - you get what, 3GB of usable ram once you take OS and apple intelligence into account? Yet, aside from the crazy sticker price, the hardware is a lot better - the 120 Hz OLED display looks amazing and is way brighter, the speakers are quite an upgrage, full blown thunderbolt port for external display and so on. The OS is still toy-like, and ram is pitiful, but there is place for an ipad pro.
And then there's air which is... base ipad with an M-series chip and pretty much nothing else? The display is barely any better than base ipad, the storage and ram are pitiful, the speakers are from the baseline ipad and so on. Just about the only saving grace of the M4 one announced here is 12GB ram, which is the absolute lowest those really ought to have, and really puts into perspective how utterly miserly Apple was about ram pre-AI. I don't understand the value proposition - you want the baseline you buy a much cheaper base model, you want more you get the pro, right?
To be fair the asking price is far less than pro but the upgrades over base model seem so minuscule that I just don't know.
piyh 24 seconds ago [-]
It's the cheapest iPad that supports pressure sensitivity on the better apple pencil.
waynecochran 11 minutes ago [-]
When will I be able to run Xcode on one of these?
manmal 54 minutes ago [-]
Tangential, iPadOS 26 is absolutely unusable on iPad Minis. Who needs window management on an 8" screen?
crims0n 30 minutes ago [-]
-you can turn it off globally in settings
-some people use it docked
-if it wasn't available, someone else would be complaining about that
amoss 19 minutes ago [-]
No side profile pics on the page. My only concern would be can it lay flat on a table for taking notes or does it have a camera bulge that makes it wobble?
morganw 10 minutes ago [-]
> does it have a camera bulge that makes it wobble?
FWIW, the iPad Air I bought a couple years ago has a small protrusion for the single camera lens, but does not wobble when laying flat and is not really noticeable. This latest iPad Air has a similar design.
easton 1 hours ago [-]
Memory increase to 12GB, guess they still have reasonable pricing.
jghn 1 hours ago [-]
At this scale, don't companies lock in their prices well in advance instead of paying spot prices?
functionmouse 1 hours ago [-]
Don't vendors as big as Apple lock in their prices and contracts years in advance?
wpm 1 hours ago [-]
Rumor has it that Samsung hit them with a 100% price increase on RAM and Apple took it without even trying to negotiate
bombcar 29 minutes ago [-]
If that rumor's true then Apple has a memory fab hidden somewhere that's going to be revealed soon.
throwaway85825 19 minutes ago [-]
Apple is likely a large enough consumer to fully utilize a fab.
xd1936 46 minutes ago [-]
Bringing their profit margins down from ludicrous to just absurdly high.
eknkc 13 minutes ago [-]
I still have no idea wht to do with my previous gen iPad Pro..
joezydeco 2 hours ago [-]
The word "value" appears four times in that press release. I sense a theme in the marketing this week.
dylan604 46 minutes ago [-]
At least they are not using "affordability"
2OEH8eoCRo0 1 hours ago [-]
If they wanted to provide value they'd add MacOS to their tablets.
geerlingguy 55 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, instead we'll have a slightly cheaper MacBook Air, I'm guessing, that still costs more than the perfectly adequate iPad.
chorkpop 1 hours ago [-]
I wish Apple hadn't decided that colors weren't for pro users. I would love to have any of those.
criddell 31 minutes ago [-]
I'm still upset that they dropped the Smart Keyboard Folio. For me, that was the perfect keyboard case. I was hoping some third party would copy the design and release a new case but it never happened.
t1234s 40 minutes ago [-]
Any chances of getting a new Apple TV 4k this week in time for F1 launch on AppleTV+?
mikestew 25 minutes ago [-]
Sure, there’s a chance. Don’t know why you’re asking, though, because those that know aren’t talking and those that are talking…
1 hours ago [-]
franze 55 minutes ago [-]
I love my iPad, best TV i have ever owned.
Noaidi 42 minutes ago [-]
Ha, yes. I have a Galaxy A7 lite that is my TV. Much cheaper and has a 500GB SD Card in it as well.
jonplackett 52 minutes ago [-]
Bet they were hoping for a quieter news week for these announcements.
Mindwipe 43 minutes ago [-]
The Pro really looks like it's struggling for a reason to exist given how much cheaper this will be and the difference in feature set.
game_the0ry 7 minutes ago [-]
FWIW, my wife is a student and her ipad has probably helped out her out a lot, for a lot of reasons:
* compact form factor allows her to study anywhere easily, especially on public transportation
* can access the internet almost anywhere
* note taking and drawing diagrams with apple pencil
* communication wit for both personal (imessage) and school study buddies (discord)
* can entertain herself with netflix, youtube, games etc when she wants to wind down
* ai apps like perplexity has helped her a lot with writing and research
She also has a laptop, but is rarely used. She even tends to type on her ipad keyboard. The larger form factor for the pro helps with that too.
Hamuko 34 minutes ago [-]
I fucking love my OLED display on my iPad Pro.
Noaidi 47 minutes ago [-]
Please do not buy any Apple products until Tim Cook takes that gold bar back from Trump? Thanks.
bm5k 1 hours ago [-]
Heavier than the iPad Pro. Again. Still.
deviation 31 minutes ago [-]
I know it's semantics, but Apple has never actually marketed their Air products as lighter than their Pro counterparts. The 11" variant is ~460g.
unstatusthequo 55 minutes ago [-]
FFS I cannot believe this. I went and looked it up, and you’re 100% right. It’s slight, but it’s real.
irenetusuq 19 minutes ago [-]
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magnio 58 minutes ago [-]
To me, the tablet form factor is dead with the arrival of the trifold.
90% of the people who use tablets I know (including myself) only has four use case: watching video, reading PDF and comics, taking notes, and playing mobile games.
All of which are very mobile-oriented tasks that are done on tablets solely for their screen sizes. With trifold bridging the gap between screen sizes and, more importantly, screen ratios, I would love to merge them into one device. This is in contrast with laptops, whose differences in OS and use cases are, to me, much bigger and necessary.
Of course, right now they are very much afar from consumers' pockets due to price and reliability. But normal foldables were once in the exact same state, and the fact that Apple is releasing one soon is a sure tale sign of the future of foldables.
pokstad 6 minutes ago [-]
I’d rather have no moving parts in my screen.
nerdjon 45 minutes ago [-]
A properly built tablet OS UI would also have those differences in the OS that make it more than just a larger phone screen, which so far seems to be most of what the foldables are doing with a gimmick thrown in here or there.
iPadOS may not fully be to the point of being an OS UI that really utilizes the benefits of a tablet sized device, but it does have elements that are unique to it that would not really make sense on a phone.
That being said, if your tablet use case really is just a larger phone than a foldable would be great. But i know for myself the way I use my iPad it would not be a suitable replacement. Especially not now, maybe in 5+ years once someone figures out how to make an OS that actually manages different ways of interacting with it in different form factors work, but that has yet to happen.
herrherrmann 53 minutes ago [-]
I wouldn’t put too much hope into foldables, at least not because of Apple’s involvement. They also released the Vision Pro. And there’s still the unsolved(?) problem of the screens getting easily scratched/destroyed if they’re not heavily protected and kept clean. (There are some informative teardown videos, e.g. by JerryRigEverything.)
Hamuko 37 minutes ago [-]
I have a hard time justifying buying a trifold when my 13-inch iPad Pro was 1263€ and the Samsung trifold is probably gonna be closer to 3000€ for a 10-inch display. If I assume that it'll be 2999€, you can get a 13-inch iPad Pro (1519€), a Magic Keyboard for the iPad (399€), an iPhone 17 (999€) and still have money left over. And this is straight from Apple.com. It's possible to get better deals elsewhere.
LoganDark 56 minutes ago [-]
Dunno if Apple's foldable will support Apple Pencil. (For that matter, not sure a touchscreen MacBook would either.) That's one use case for a properly rigid, solid, flat surface.
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It's stuck on iPadOS 17.7.10, which is fine. I can only imagine that these new generation iPads will easily go for the next 10 years.
If someone has a work-around I'd love to hear it. Until then, or until Apple changes this design, I think I'm done with iPads. I don't want to pay that much to "own" something that Apple can simply make obsolete by reconfiguring or turning off a server somewhere.
Edit: fix typo
Except for the battery, which isn’t that easy to replace on an iPad.
TL;DR sometimes it's not Apple, it's the app devs that deprecate them.
Since linux runs on it, I can run the latest versions of great pieces of software like ed, slack in a web browser, etc.
It is 100% apple's fault that they do not open up the bootloader for devices they'll no longer offer updates for and allow the community to build a custom darwin or linux fork. Even though we paid for the hardware, we are not allowed to use it any longer than apple says.
Are the app devs deprecating just because their support matrix is too big, or because current SDKs will no longer build apps compatible with those devices?
I think the later case is less common on the Android side of the fence, but Apple is not great about keeping old versions of the dev tools functional, and you end up needing to keep elderly Macs around to target older versions of the OS.
Can someone explain to me why an iPad at all, let alone an iPad Air, needs as powerful a processor as a M4? That's stronger than my laptop (a M2) where I run multiple VMs and more.
Apple re-uses the same core across their lineup because it’s cheaper to build 100 million of the same core than to design and maintain two separate CPUs that go into 50 million devices each.
8 years later the local apps still run fast, but it struggles with web browsing.
Which is to say, you need a fast processor or web developers will out-bloat your device capabilities in a few years.
If your question is what do people use it for? Well thats different. iPads have a range of users from people who just browse the internet and will never stress this out, to people who do concept art and CAD who will appreciate the power.
But again, why do people always complain that a device got a spec bump?
Maybe there are people out there doing 8k video editing on their Pros, but I’ve yet to meet them.
You might ask — doesn’t it suck to do either on an iPad? Yep, yet even on my iPhone, I use Photoshop all the time.
VMs are not very CPU demanding usually — usually more RAM demanding.
I had M4 iPad PRO and is just collecting dust. Too clunky to use.
It's cheaper to use an old generation CPU, than the effort needed to design and manufacture a custom iPad only chip.
Same reason why the Studio Display uses binned iPhone chips.
I think the percentage of iPad users actually using this level of processing power is small, but there are some ways to do it.
I do really wish they would just allow running a VM on an iPad though at this point. Running a linux or even MacOS VM would be a nice escape valve for a lot of things that can't be done natively.
Personally, they need to put the iPad on a two-year release cycle and focus on improving iPad OS.
It's not like Apple is putting any thought into either the UX or the engineering side of utilising the compute properly (except calculating those glass effects extra inefficiently).
Minimise SKUs and get some use out of the binned chips who have a few failed cores.
Because marketing? Seriously, the people I see using iPads in coffee shops are rich retired dudes looking at the news on it.
how is music production on it these days?
A friend who I make music together had an iPad that we tried to add to the setup, in the end after some months we chucked it aside and just got a MacBook for our shared studio instead.
The base ipad is "really big iphone, with a few laptop-esque features". It's reasonably cheap for what it offers, especially if you want a highly mobile media consumption device and handwritten input.
Then there's ipad pro, which is wildly overpriced for its specs -- m4 pro has half!! the ram that the cheaper m4 macbook air has, which is laughable for a 'pro' anything, especially if you have apple intelligence enabled - you get what, 3GB of usable ram once you take OS and apple intelligence into account? Yet, aside from the crazy sticker price, the hardware is a lot better - the 120 Hz OLED display looks amazing and is way brighter, the speakers are quite an upgrage, full blown thunderbolt port for external display and so on. The OS is still toy-like, and ram is pitiful, but there is place for an ipad pro.
And then there's air which is... base ipad with an M-series chip and pretty much nothing else? The display is barely any better than base ipad, the storage and ram are pitiful, the speakers are from the baseline ipad and so on. Just about the only saving grace of the M4 one announced here is 12GB ram, which is the absolute lowest those really ought to have, and really puts into perspective how utterly miserly Apple was about ram pre-AI. I don't understand the value proposition - you want the baseline you buy a much cheaper base model, you want more you get the pro, right?
To be fair the asking price is far less than pro but the upgrades over base model seem so minuscule that I just don't know.
-some people use it docked
-if it wasn't available, someone else would be complaining about that
Yes https://www.apple.com/v/ipad-air/af/images/overview/closer-l... from https://www.apple.com/ipad-air/
* compact form factor allows her to study anywhere easily, especially on public transportation
* can access the internet almost anywhere
* note taking and drawing diagrams with apple pencil
* communication wit for both personal (imessage) and school study buddies (discord)
* can entertain herself with netflix, youtube, games etc when she wants to wind down
* ai apps like perplexity has helped her a lot with writing and research
She also has a laptop, but is rarely used. She even tends to type on her ipad keyboard. The larger form factor for the pro helps with that too.
90% of the people who use tablets I know (including myself) only has four use case: watching video, reading PDF and comics, taking notes, and playing mobile games.
All of which are very mobile-oriented tasks that are done on tablets solely for their screen sizes. With trifold bridging the gap between screen sizes and, more importantly, screen ratios, I would love to merge them into one device. This is in contrast with laptops, whose differences in OS and use cases are, to me, much bigger and necessary.
Of course, right now they are very much afar from consumers' pockets due to price and reliability. But normal foldables were once in the exact same state, and the fact that Apple is releasing one soon is a sure tale sign of the future of foldables.
iPadOS may not fully be to the point of being an OS UI that really utilizes the benefits of a tablet sized device, but it does have elements that are unique to it that would not really make sense on a phone.
That being said, if your tablet use case really is just a larger phone than a foldable would be great. But i know for myself the way I use my iPad it would not be a suitable replacement. Especially not now, maybe in 5+ years once someone figures out how to make an OS that actually manages different ways of interacting with it in different form factors work, but that has yet to happen.