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Tinnitus Is Connected to Sleep (sciencealert.com)
epolanski 5 hours ago [-]
I've got tinnitus, 38 male.

Got it randomly one day this summer.

It's impossible to describe how depressing it is to hear a sound non stop in your ears, night and day, wherever I go or whatever I do, it just never stops.

The brain started filtering it out a bit after months, but it's always there and you're often reminded of it when you're in a slightly more silent environment.

There are days where it becomes especially loud and falling asleep you'd just like to cry or something.

Don't wish it on anybody.

nozzlegear 4 hours ago [-]
I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, so I've never had any negative feelings associated with it. As a kid I just thought it was natural that everyone's ears would ring all the time and would get louder when it was quiet. My ears are ringing right now as I write this.

Then I developed pulsatile tinnitus in my early 30s, which means I can hear my heartbeat in my (right) ear at all hours of the day as well. When I tell people about it, I like to describe it like the heartbeat from Poe's The Tell-Tale Heart.

Developing pulsatile tinnitus really affected my mental health for a while, despite living my whole life with a constant buzzing and ringing in my ears. I couldn't get over the fact that there was now this loud whooshing sound in my right ear, 60+ times per second, and my doctors couldn't even tell me why after several MRIs. I thought I was going crazy, or that I'd developed some kind of brain tumor invisible to scans.

I don't have any great advice except to say that eventually (maybe six months to a year) my brain just adapted to the sound and I hardly ever think of it anymore. It's as much a part of my life as the buzzing and ringing I've had since I was a kid. It can be annoying when I'm trying to listen intently for something (my wife is a birder and it's hard to hear things she points out), but it thankfully doesn't affect my mental health anymore.

tomwojcik 4 hours ago [-]
I always had problems with sinuses. I've had a few surgeries and while it's better, it's not good either. I literally had a drill up my nose, in my forehead. They still hurt and pop on their own, many times a day.

One day my kid brought a nasty flu from the kindergarten. My otolaryngologist recommended the strongest irrigation stream I can find to clean my sinuses.

Not only did it not help, but it also pushed some goo to the end of my sinuses, which resulted in pulsatile tinnitus.

After about 6 months my kid got sick again, so we all got sick, and I got rid of this tinnitus where I was hearing my heartbeat, by casually blowing my nose. The trick was having a stiff blockage, I guess, so the pressure builds up.

It sounds stupid and probably won't help you, but I wanted to share my story. I had no support from the people close to me and the heartbeat was driving me insane.

I'm sorry you have to go through this. Even though it's not a life-treating condition, it might be a life changing condition (QoL).

sheepscreek 5 minutes ago [-]
I’ve used Navage and it honestly helps whenever I have a horrible sinus infection and the constant post-nasal drip wrecks havoc, affecting my quality of sleep the most (also recommend salt water gargles for sore throat).

I have Tinnitus, which I first noticed when I was sick one time as a kid - probably 5-8 yrs old. Thankfully I have no other adverse experiences to report (related to this).

mrbonner 3 hours ago [-]
You sound like me! I have had sinus issues all my life before 17. I even had a surgery at 16 but I honestly don’t think it helped. Now I have the sinus problem a bit under control, aka I still have occasional infections during allergy and cold season. I use NielMed to wash my sinus and I think it helps a lot. Besides that I really don’t know what it would take to fix it permanently. I constantly can feel the mucus dripping down my throat everyday.
yibers 2 hours ago [-]
That story about your Otolaryngologist is insane. It's sad how many times doctors don't really listen to their patients and throw out there generic advice that is harmful.
CamperBob2 1 hours ago [-]
Scary story on multiple levels. (Ask your otolaryngologist if Naegleria Fowleri is right for you!)
microtonal 4 hours ago [-]
I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, so I've never had any negative feelings associated with it. As a kid I just thought it was natural that everyone's ears would ring all the time and would get louder when it was quiet. My ears are ringing right now as I write this.

I don't know if I have tinnitus. I had strong ringing in my ears every now and then as a kid. I once told a classmate about this, who said I should see a doctor, but I've had it as come up every now and then as long as I can remember.

I now have a continuous beep, but only really hear it when I intentionally tune into it. E.g. I can hear it now because I'm writing about it, but most of the day I simply don't hear it, because I don't tune in to it. Not sure if it was always there or just starting at some age. It is sometimes more present when I'm e.g. sick.

I have no idea if other people have this kind of permanent beep as well, because I never asked anyone.

(I just asked my wife and she doesn't have it.)

technothrasher 56 minutes ago [-]
> I have no idea if other people have this kind of permanent beep as well, because I never asked anyone.

We do. I've had tinnitus all my life, or at least I can remember it as far back as about four years old or so. It sounds to me like the whine of an old CRT. I thought it was just normal until I learned it wasn't. I used to think as a kid that it was what the Simon and Garfunkel song "The Sound of Silence" was talking about. Luckily for me it's just something that's always been, so it doesn't really bother me. I have no idea what it would be like to not actually hear anything at all. The one time I was in a sound isolation chamber, it just made my tinnitus scream.

My neighbor developed tinnitus later in his life and it drives him crazy. I definitely feel bad for him, and others who are similarly afflicted by it.

borski 3 hours ago [-]
You have tinnitus.
mattmanser 1 hours ago [-]
That's not really tinnitus, I used to have that before I got tinnitus.

Tinnitus is like 30-50 times the volume of that, depending on how rundown I am or whether I have a cold. For me it's predominantly in one ear, though does sometimes change.

What he's describing is fairly normal and is just to do with blood pressure in your ears, from what I've subsequently read.

borski 1 hours ago [-]
> What he's describing is fairly normal and is just to do with blood pressure in your ears, from what I've subsequently read.

That’s called tinnitus. And I agree, it isn’t rare. From TFA, roughly 15% of people have it (that report it).

Sounds like you may have severe tinnitus, which is more rare, limited to 1-2% of people.

arcanemachiner 1 hours ago [-]
A clear example of the No True Tinnitus fallacy.

> Tinnitus is a condition when a person hears a ringing sound or a different variety of sounds when no corresponding external sound is present and that other people cannot hear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinnitus

carlesfe 2 hours ago [-]
I do hear my heartbeat from my left ear. The ear doctor said that the ear can be sensitive to the blood flowing from nearby arteries, and that there's nothing to do. Stress affects the heartbeat volume. I just got used to it, but it can be annoying sometimes, especially when you're trying to enjoy the silence.

The doctor also told me that it's not an ear problem, but rather a brain problem. The brain is supposed to filter out this noise, in the same sense that it filters out the sounds from a (normal) digestion, our breathing, etc. I do have some (undiagnosed) hypersensitivity, so that sounds consistent to me.

nozzlegear: it gets better with time, the less you think about it. I know it's not a great consolation, but trust me, train yourself not to think about it, and it will go away for extended periods of time (and will come back from time to time)

glimshe 4 hours ago [-]
Eye floaters are like that. They don't go away but you get used to them being there.
idiotsecant 3 hours ago [-]
I'd say i'm sorry to hear about your 60 beat per second heart rate but by the time you read this you are surely dead. RIP
kylecazar 1 hours ago [-]
60 bps is a fine HR, if you are implying it isn't

Edit: WHOOPSIE DAISY

toast0 1 hours ago [-]
Heart beat is usually measured in bpm. All the charts top out at 200. 360 bpm is certainly problematic for a human.
Marsymars 56 minutes ago [-]
3600 bpm would be even more problematic.
zargon 1 hours ago [-]
That's 3 times the heart rate of a hummingbird.
rkomorn 35 minutes ago [-]
Upvoted for the edit. :D
antonvs 40 minutes ago [-]
You’re thinking of one beat per second, i.e. 60 beats per minute. 60 bps is not possible, but if it were, it wouldn’t be survivable.
newt_slowly 3 hours ago [-]
My dad had tinnitus and it bothered him relentlessly. He was constantly following potential new treatments, talking to doctors about it, etc.

I have it too. I've taken the approach of truly accepting it: "I will hear these sounds the rest of my life, and I'm truly okay with that". As a result it doesn't give me anxiety or bother me, and I find it helps it fade into the background. The more you focus on it (and let it bother you) the more it stays in the foreground.

I know the advice of "just learn to be okay with it" is easy to communicate but very hard to actually do. I found mindfulness meditation helped me learn to accept things without judgement, including the presence of my tinnitus.

BOSIG 4 hours ago [-]
I got a high-pitch ringing tinnitus when I was about 18-20. I went from being a person that falls asleep in <5 min to needing at least 1h + needing a background radio/white noise/stream to fall asleep. I sympathize and recognize everything that you reflect on here. I felt kind of "depressed" the first year.

But no matter how cliché it sounds, it does get better with time. The brain does get better and better with filtering it. I also discovered that my tinnitus gets worse with caffeine, stress and lack of sleep. In periods when I live a overall "healthy" lifestyle in respect to sleep, stress, food, working out etc. I forget that I have tinnitus. When I sleep to little and/or when I'm stressed, it comes back full force. I have totally cut out caffeine, which also happened to help with my migraine.

Now ~15 years later I'm in my early thirties and I rarely think about it tbh. However, after a bad cold about 5 years ago I got a secondary tinnitus which is a low-frequency humming. This set me back and cased me some sleepless nights but I have adapted to this as well.

The thing I miss the most is the concept of "total silence". I do envy my fiancé sometimes if we're out in the woods or whatever and I know that she can just relax while "hearing nothing".

Let time do its work and experiment with your body/health to find what makes it lessen. Chances are that de-stressing, sleeping well and eating and working out does make it better.

zimpenfish 2 hours ago [-]
> But no matter how cliché it sounds, it does get better with time.

For some, perhaps, but mine (25+ years) has not improved one jot. At best I've learnt to manage it with masking sounds (thanks to MyNoise) but it's always there waiting for a quiet moment.

Might be to do with how well your general auditory circuitry was working in the first place, mind - e.g. I've always had the "two noises at once tend toward garbage in my brain" problem (which made most social conversations almost impossible. FUN TIMES.) Given that implies my brain was already fairly borked for auditory processing, that might have an impact on whether it can eventually cope with tinnitus and/or whether it is more susceptible in the first place[0].

[0] Although I am 99% sure it's due to a large amount of loud gigs in small venues without any ear protection causing "mechanical damage" tinnitus.

sonofhans 54 minutes ago [-]
WRT “mechanical damage” — I feel you. Standing in front of the stage feeling your organs vibrate in time to the music is fucking magic. I won’t say that it’s worth the tinnitus, but I am happy I have some memories of a trade-off, you know?

FWIW I still go to shows sometimes, and stand right in front of the stage to feel my eyeballs vibrating. I wear good ear protection, though, and feel no pain. Even though the music isn’t quite the same.

baxtr 13 minutes ago [-]
I have it too.

It suddenly came one day I was more stressed than usual. Stayed since then.

I often catch myself falling asleep thinking: maybe when I wake up tomorrow, it’s gone. Just to wake up the next day and hear it again.

It’s very annoying. But I have learned to live with it. Some days are better some are worse.

jarnagin 4 hours ago [-]
I got it about ten years ago and it drove me absolutely insane for a few months until I just accepted that I would have it. Then a weird thing happened: my brain stopped paying attention to it. Now I mostly only hear it when I think to myself, “do I still have tinnitus?” and try to listen for it. It’s still there, I just don’t care anymore. I had no idea that even what you hear can be such a subjective experience until I went through this, but it makes sense. You do this all the time when you tune out ambient sounds and conversations to focus on something.
jaybrendansmith 2 hours ago [-]
This is my experience. It normally doesn't bother me, and I didn't think about it until I read this article, so now it is driving me crazy. Please let's stop posting articles about Tinnitus unless the article describes a CURE. Thanks.
NetMageSCW 51 minutes ago [-]
Perhaps you could learn to not read those articles?
accounting2026 4 hours ago [-]
Just wondering do you think you got tinnitus or was it there and you suddenly started noticing? I don't know I got it around 20y ago but I'm honestly unsure if it was one or the other because it became worse and worse the more I started focusing on it. Eventually it subsided. I can still hear it if I listen for it (as I just did now and I can hear a distinct 'bruising' kind of sound) but there's literally months between I even think of it or notice it. There have been studies that lots of 'normal' people notice tinnitus when they enter a sound-proof room. What helped me was just taking long showers - I literally couldn't hear a thing during the shower and some time after. And it seems the 'drown out' period would last longer. And just knowing something would stop it somehow made me ease more into it and maybe reduced the fear that had been programmed into my brain. I also did omega 3 and gingo biloba (just low doses) and felt like it had some effect. Was there any trigger and how 'loud' do you perceive it?
spl757 2 hours ago [-]
I've always had tinnitus, but it used to be that I could only hear it in absolute silence, but it was a medication that triggered mine to go from barely there to screaming banshees in my ears 24x7x365. It sucks to know that I will never truly experience silence again, but my brain does tune it out most of the time. But it's mostly noticeable at night. Mostly.
epolanski 4 hours ago [-]
I think I got it.

I also recall the days before I listening to music a lot with earplugs at rather high volume, like, 6/7 hours per day multiple days.

That's the only out-of-the-ordinary thing I did leading to it, it might be related or completely unrelated, who knows.

mynameisash 4 hours ago [-]
I'm really sorry to hear that.

I once read something about the prevalence of depression in people with tinnitus. I was surprised by it, but I didn't really consider how disruptive it must be when you're accustomed to not having it. By contrast, I've had it basically my whole life. I remember laying awake at night, listening to the deafening ringing, thinking about how weird it was that silence isn't silent. It wasn't until later that I knew my experience isn't the norm.

I'd love to have a treatment or cure. Especially for folks like you that truly suffer from it.

armchairhacker 4 hours ago [-]
> silence isn't silent

Blindness isn’t “no sight” or pitch black, there’s visual snow.

If you pay attention, you can always feel your muscles/joints. Sometimes I smell burnt popcorn, but not usually, but maybe that’s because smell is always present. Similarly always taste saliva.

Also see sensory deprivation experiments. We don’t seem able to experience “absence of sensation”.

sonofhans 52 minutes ago [-]
This is not analogous to tinnitus. I remember before and after tinnitus, and it’s as different from visual snow as real snow is from an ice pick in your ear.
randerson 4 hours ago [-]
Also got tinnitus here. Woke up with it about 5 years ago. I'd recently had COVID and was also on a strong medication. But I've been a lifelong insomniac so this article has me wondering.

I can only sleep when there's another noise in the room for frame of reference, otherwise the tinnitus feels like the loudest sound in the universe. My current solution is an air purifier on its audible middle setting (basically white noise with a use), and a humidifier in winter.

skygazer 2 hours ago [-]
I’ve had tinnitus since I was maybe 5 years old, maybe from my frequent ear infections at the time? I remember discovering it during nap time and noting that silence had a high-pitched, discordant set of tones to it. But I thought it receded when normal sounds, like people talking, tv or music, or wind occurred. It was just the sound of silence.

I still have it, and now I know what it is. I think it’s worse now, but I can still unconsciously ignore it most of the time, although knowing what it is and that it’s aberrant and not something everyone hears has made it psychologically more irritating than when I was young.

sonofhans 59 minutes ago [-]
Oh, that blows, I’m so sorry. I’ve had it 40 years; I hear it now, louder than anything else in the room.

But mostly I don’t. You do really get used to it. It won’t get better, but you will.

bluescrn 4 hours ago [-]
Avoid complete silence (a bit of white noise or other background sound helps to mask it for some people), and try to avoid threads like this. Anything that makes me actively think about tinnitus is the absolute worst trigger, suddenly making it seem really loud after barely noticing it for weeks/months.

The brain definitely seems to get better at filtering it out over months/years though, at least until something makes you focus on it

jamiek88 44 minutes ago [-]
Same with itching. Reading about itching can trigger days long events for me.
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whatsupdog 4 hours ago [-]
You'll get used to it. 42 male here. Started at 12-13 years of age. Barely notice it anymore. Some things (lack of sleep, extreme stress, some medicines/drugs) accentuate it a bit, but it's annoying at best, not interfering. I also produce music, so I don't think it has affected my hearing. So you'll be good. Stop worrying.

Oh, use a fan based white noise machine (or a loud fan) during sleeping, really drowns it out.

deejaaymac 4 hours ago [-]
I also should have mentioned this; despite having tinnitus my actual hearing is very good, and yeah a white noise or fan does wonders
bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
Don't worry: you will get used to it in a couple years and won't even notice it.
amarant 58 minutes ago [-]
Similar, I went past an event that was playing unusually loud music last may. I ended up with tinnitus and hyperacusis.

I don't know which is worse, but the combination has me contemplating euthanasia on a regular basis

fullstop 4 hours ago [-]
I don't have tinnitus, but I live about a mile from a major highway. Depending on the time of day, the wind, the temperature, etc, it can carry the road noise directly to my yard. It doesn't bother my wife or my kids, but I hate it.

When it gets to be too much, though, I can just go inside, and that's not something that you can do with tinnitus.

I'm sorry that you're going through that, that must be terrible. Have you tried adding white noise?

abhijat 4 hours ago [-]
I've had it for a few years now. One time I got a throat infection and it amplified to a slightly louder volume. It went down to its original level a few months later, but the time when it was slightly louder was scarier than when it first appeared. I was worried it was going to keep increasing.
escapecharacter 2 hours ago [-]
I got it late Feb 2020. Wasn't great to have that sound haunt me through the rest of the isolation.
lmf4lol 2 hours ago [-]
i have it for more than 12 years. 8 years ago, I began to dont give a f“““ anymore. I now can go days and weeks without hearing it. Even when reading in silence. Sometimes, when my brain decides to losten to it again, I immediately start to distract myself. Sometimes for hours, until „I forget“
sgt 3 hours ago [-]
A lot of people hear a slight hiss. Is that tinnitus? Faint enough that it's not noticable 90% of the time.
spl757 2 hours ago [-]
Any noise you hear that is not a real sound that others can hear is tinnitus. The actual experience for people with the condition varies, for some it's a hiss, for some it's a tone, for me it's a really loud, multi-tonal, warbling sound between 11khz and 15khz. If anyone has tinnitus and wants to know what frequency it is that you your brain is perceiving just go online and find a tone generator and start increasing the frequency until the sound from the speakers suddenly disappears. That's the frequency of your tinnitus.

e: btw tinnitus is considered hearing damage.

martinpw 49 minutes ago [-]
How does this work in combination with age related hearing loss? At some point you will lose high frequency sensitivity in that 11-15Khz range. Would be nice to get some benefit from that, but I assume the tinnitus itself will not go away even if it hangs out at that frequency?

It also means the above experiment will not work since you lose the signal before you reach your tinnitus frequency.

themdonuts 4 hours ago [-]
I'm on the exact same boat. Same age and got it randomly this Summer. Are you able to modulate the pitch by moving your jaw sideways or wide opening it? Would be great to bounce off some ideas. I'll drop you an email if that's OK.
chinathrow 23 minutes ago [-]
Have you checked your hearing?

A friend of mine has tinnitus and found out he has bad hearing. Hearing aids fixed zmthe tinnitus.

Another friend has the same, but no aids yet.

cgag 3 hours ago [-]
Just moving my jaw doesn’t affect mine, but moving it to the side and flexing whatever muscles involved in that motion are definitely makes mine louder, just for a second.

I’ve always wondered if that implied there must theoretically be a way to cure or reduce it by reducing pressure in there through surgery or stretching or something. I’ve done a bunch of neck stretches in the past that I think mostly relieved my anxiety about it, but may have helped. My motivation to fix it has gone down a lot though as I’ve gotten used to it.

themdonuts 3 hours ago [-]
Yeah I wanted to take action before I get used to it. But it seems chances are slim of getting it fixed. I think I never read about anyone who came out of it.

Anyways, I've been to the oto doctor and after a few visits, tests and ct scan he believes it might be due to my jaw and bruxism I have at night. Not ear related. Next stop for me will be to visit a maxilo facial doctor.

Agingcoder 4 hours ago [-]
Same thing here , but triggered by tiredness/stress. If I sleep a lot and well, then it somehow fades until I’m tired again.

I assume my brain is somehow able to filter it out, unless it’s too tired/busy.

deejaaymac 4 hours ago [-]
I've had tinnitus longer than I can remember (33m) and I also have moderate visual snow also as long as I can remember. Sadly, I have no tips on tuning it out, but I'd do anything for a cure
Fire-Dragon-DoL 3 hours ago [-]
It gets better,I promise. It becomes an annoying companion,but you develop ways to forget about it
ramoz 3 hours ago [-]
Don’t let it get to you like this.
Noaidi 4 hours ago [-]
I have had it since I was 13 (60 now). The base noise is filtered out unless I listen for it, but ion occasion I get a temporary deafness, followed by almost a popping sound, then a LOUD tinnitus at a different frequency which slowly fades.

Sometimes I get a new frequency. Since 2000 it has gotten worse, since 2020, much worse. But changing my environment seems to effect it for better and worse.

No doubt mine is connected to my mental illness and probably temporal lobe seizures.

idontwantthis 3 hours ago [-]
Fellow tinnitus haver here.

The worst thing you can do is fixate on it. To avoid that, you want to make it so that you never hear it. Play some noise whenever you need it especially when sleeping. Then, over time, learn to accept it. And then the craziest thing happens: it does actually get better. You don’t just get used to it, it actually improves. It’s a profound connection of mind and body.

nurettin 5 hours ago [-]
Got it similarly. 7-8 years ago. Probably from ANC. It used to feel loud, now I have to remind myself to hear it. There is light at the end of the tunnel.
bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
Mine started when I was 12 for no apparent reason. A visit to the pediatrician, a hearing test that found my hearing was normal, and that was that. 65 years later (I'm 77) it's EXACTLY the same in pitch and volume, a loud high-pitched whine that doesn't bother me in the least. Once I got used to it and realized it was a permanent thing, it ceased to be annoying or a problem, probably when I was in high school. In my case ANC was most definitely NOT the cause (in 1960). Unless the Russians were already testing their Havana Syndrome weapon in Milwaukee.... One more thing: aspirin and/or caffeine make mine significantly louder for a few hours, though it's still not bothersome.
tjoff 5 hours ago [-]
From ANC? Active Noise Cancelling?

Doesn't seem to be a thing?

kettlecorn 2 hours ago [-]
I developed tinnitus a year ago (I'm in my early 30s). I was living in an environment where it was noisy in the morning so I took to wearing sound cancelling headphones and earplugs to sleep.

A few weeks into it I noticed a persistent ringing and I thought it was some sort of electrical wine in an old house. A week later I realized it was permanent so I cut out my sound cancelling sleep routine, but the tinnitus has stayed.

smokel 4 hours ago [-]
Apparently, there is no scientific evidence that ANC is or is not causing tinnitus.

ANC reduces background noise, which typically allows users to listen at lower volumes, thereby reducing total sound exposure to the ear. So if the user adapts their volume, that would lead to less risk of tinnitus. This works for me :)

But there are lots of people on forums suggesting that there is a link between tinnitus and ANC. One reason could be that ANC headphones allow you to listen very accurately to inner auditory signals, and if you already had some tinnitus, you might start to notice it.

zdragnar 4 hours ago [-]
I got tinnitus before ANC was a thing, and I've never been able to comfortably use it for more than a short period of time.

Whenever I do, I swear I feel increased pressure on my ears and my tinnitus temporarily gets worse. I've often wondered if I imagine it, but hearing from others here makes me think it isn't so strange.

functionmouse 4 hours ago [-]
I personally believe active noise cancelling is a direct cause of tinnitus. This is just a personal belief though and I have no direct evidence. I've heard a lot of anecdotes corroborating this.
nurettin 4 hours ago [-]
Yes it feels like I got it from ANC. Might not "be a thing", just coincided with my ANC use. It is my data point.
Tsarp 4 hours ago [-]
Did it start around the covid/ WFH time? There are a few theories

1. Airpods or ANC

2. WFH ->. Less movement -> stiff muscles around neck and head -> head trasnfer frequencies changing

3. Covid vaccine

dahart 2 hours ago [-]
I know some people blame the covid vaccine. I had tinnitus before the vaccine and it got louder when I took the vaccine and then got quieter later. But it gets louder with other medications too. I suspect anything that causes inflammation can increase tinnitus symptoms, and the covid vaccine does temporarily increase inflammation. This could easily push someone who hasn’t noticed their developing tinnitus over the edge and suddenly they notice it and associate it with the vaccine. What they don’t know is that they might have noticed their tinnitus 2 months later if they hadn’t taken the vaccine. Statistically, I would expect there to be lots of people, like maybe as much as one or two percent of the population (which amounts to a few million people in the US) who might legitimately associate their tinnitus with the covid vaccine, even if the vaccine actually had nothing to do with it.

The same explanation goes for ANC - when you cut out all the noise, suddenly it’s way easier to notice the tinnitus you already had.

There might be something with the neck stiffness idea. I do get the feeling my tinnitus lessens when I’m using cervical traction and doing neck stretching regularly.

zigzag312 4 hours ago [-]
1. Without noise you become more aware of your tinnitus.

2. WFH -> Less movement -> Decreased blood flow can contribute to the onset of tinnitus.

Long exposure to high volumes causes hearing damage. Many people set volume on headsets too high to hear better.

3. Many people are diagnosed with tinnitus every day, and some are bound to have it discovered after a vaccine shot. In the same way, some people will have tinnitus discovered after COVID. That doesn’t yet prove causation.

nurettin 4 hours ago [-]
See this is why we can't have cheap tinfoil.
bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
You're killing me with your acronym. That's a recurring thing here, so don't feel bad.
antonvs 34 minutes ago [-]
Active Noise Cancelling (headphones, earbuds etc.)

It probably doesn’t cause tinnitus, but people grasp at straws about this kind of stuff.

2Gkashmiri 3 hours ago [-]
I wont call it anecdotal evidence but i am told, in "traditional" Greek medicine,tinnitus is a symptom of constipation.

Its told you fix constipation, your ringing ears will get fixed.

I know its not 100% but try to fix your bowel movement if it isn't working properly already.

antonvs 32 minutes ago [-]
Who could have imagined that “traditional” Greek medicine was bullshit?

Tinnitus sufferers tend to experience symptoms their entire lives. Do you genuinely think that they’re all walking around continuously constipated for decades?

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mynameisash 5 hours ago [-]
I'll save you about 30 ad views:

> The Oxford researchers proposed that the large spontaneous waves of brain activity that occur during deep sleep, or non-rapid eye movement sleep (non-REM), might suppress the brain activity that leads to tinnitus.

bookofjoe 5 hours ago [-]
I'll do even better — here's the original 2022 paper:

https://academic.oup.com/braincomms/article/4/3/fcac089/6563...

bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
I thought you were exaggerating so I went back and counted: I stopped at 50 and I wasn't even CLOSE to reaching the end of the page!!!
Kinrany 1 hours ago [-]
uBlock Origin reduces it to an almost reasonable number of three embeds plus the "trending" section. But the cookies consent modal is also disgusting
Fire-Dragon-DoL 3 hours ago [-]
As somebody with tinnitus, forgive me, this seemed instinctively obvious. A very bad night of sleep raises the volume of the tinnitus substantially. Stress does the same.
ElCapitanMarkla 40 minutes ago [-]
Not sure about stress, but definitely have the same exp re sleep. If I’m tired the ringing is very noticeable, when I wake up early after a late night it can be deafening. But besides from noticing it being “louder” it seems to go away, or I just ignore it.
NooneAtAll3 25 minutes ago [-]
as always, the devil (and research) is in the details

it seems that these researchers think it's non-REM sleep that helps in prevention, not just sleep in general

criddell 55 minutes ago [-]
Mine will also dial up when I'm sick or am dealing with allergies or the day after eating too much junk food.
amelius 2 hours ago [-]
So perhaps the connection is sleep -> stress -> tinnitus?
Fire-Dragon-DoL 2 hours ago [-]
it's really hard to say though, because stress = poor sleep in my case, so there is a chicken-egg problem
ramoz 3 hours ago [-]
Same experience here.
spl757 2 hours ago [-]
Same
jdenning 2 hours ago [-]
For people suffering from tinnitus, here is a technique that greatly helped me:

1. Place your hands over your ears such that your fingers are on the back of your skull - thumbs should be on your neck and middle fingers at the base of your skull.

2. Tap your middle fingers on the base of your skull repeatedly for ~30 seconds

It apparently doesn’t work for everyone, and it’s not permanent, but for me it greatly reduces the “volume” or stops it entirely.

I have no idea what the explanation is, but it’s free, safe, and you can try it right now.

Hope that helps! Tinnitus sucks.

Marsymars 48 minutes ago [-]
I have, I think, probably the most benign tinnitus I could imagine.

I randomly get something in my head that sounds pretty close to coil whine, but definitely isn't coil whine — I've had it when I'm in the depths of the wilderness with no electronics.

It typically lasts less than 20s and I can go months between occurrences.

rheng 3 hours ago [-]
I also have been suffering from tinnitus a little over a year now. It definitely has impacted my sleep, especially my mornings. It's the first thing I think about when I wake up.

I've been following the work of Auricle Inc., a company commercializing decades of neuroscience research out of Dr. Susan Shore's lab at the University of Michigan. (Full disclosure: I have spoken to their CEO about potentially helping with their funding, although my primary concern is getting their product to the public).

Instead of just masking the sound, their device targets the root cause using bimodal neuromodulation. It pairs specific audio tones with mild electrical pulses to the jaw/neck to desynchronize hyperactive neurons in the dorsal cochlear nucleus.

Here are the two papers that cover the underlying science, and go over the efficacy:

The foundational mechanism and Phase 1 trial showing how it induces long-term depression (LTD) in the brain circuitry: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scitranslmed.aal3175

The Phase 2 double-blind, randomized clinical trial results showing significant reductions in tinnitus loudness and burden: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle...

getnormality 5 hours ago [-]
> researchers found that ferrets that developed more severe tinnitus also showed disrupted sleep.

Hold up. How do we know when ferrets have tinnitus???

the_mitsuhiko 5 hours ago [-]
harywilke 25 minutes ago [-]
I kinda get it now, it's more of a way of studying induced deafness at certain frequencies that might be similar to the effect of tinnitus.

If your tinnitus is at say 13khz, and someone turns on a sound at that frequency, you don't react to it because your mind is effectively masking it.

I once played my tinnitus tone from this site https://www.szynalski.com/tone-generator/ for my partner, when i turned it off i had the odd sensation that i couldn't tell if the sound actually stopped or not.

I used to get some temporary relief from dialing in the tone on that site and listening it to a few minutes.

kiririn 45 minutes ago [-]
I solved mine by chronically exposing myself to very low noise during sleep - wearing good earplugs in an already silent room. To the point where you can hear your eyeballs move etc. I guess this may be where the link to good sleep comes from, which implies a quiet sleeping environment
euroderf 37 minutes ago [-]
I have a mild case of tunnitus, and I can only blame myself. When a rock venue was packed, I gravitated to the area right in front of the speakers - where I also always had a good view of the band.
ctmnt 36 minutes ago [-]
The opening sentence “Those who have never endured the relentless ringing of tinnitus can only dream of the torment” does not mean what they think it means. Unless this is a very niche kink.
altairprime 3 hours ago [-]
I’ve been using my tinnitus to evaluate whether I got enough sleep or when I’ve become tired for years, so it’s nice to randomly trip over validation here that the link is universal to and not just a hyperlocal mutation. Thanks for posting this.

I suppose I wouldn’t have noticed this if I was trying to tune out tinnitus, but I’m just used to it? Not like anything is every quiet (my hearing is hyperactive), but, like, the tone and volume of it right now is “insufficient sleep but circadian forced us awake” so I need to be particularly measured and chill if I drive while it’s this loud.

Sytten 1 hours ago [-]
The best thing I did to help with my tinnitus what Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. If you perceive the sound as something dangerous than it bothers you way more.

Like others pointed a bad night sleep definitely increases the perceived sound.

Also the stress in the shoulders doesn't help.

Towaway69 1 hours ago [-]
One thing I recently realised is that sticking my head under water makes my tinnitus basically disappear. At least I don’t “hear” it that intensely.

Unfortunately I don’t live near a coast so this is something I can regularly tryout.

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dahart 2 hours ago [-]
This sometimes makes my tinnitus go away temporarily: https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/whiteBurstsNoiseGenerator....

And this I can sometimes use to pinpoint my tinnitus tone(s): https://generalfuzz.net/acrn/

ericpp 4 hours ago [-]
I first got it in 2015 after playing Fallout 4 almost nonstop for the entire weekend. The game ran poorly and the low stuttery fps caused a massive migraine in my head. I took Tylenol and went to sleep and woke up with it ringing in one of my ears which eventually moved to both. The doctors were pretty useless and said they couldn't see anything wrong and to just live with it.

My brain eventually figured out how to tune it out and now it associates the sound with silence.

Now I've developed it again after feeling depressed and blasting music in my car. The new version crackles and alternates tones in my left ear. I have a doctors appointment coming up to hopefully figure it out.

There is a new expensive treatment for it called Lenore which works by playing sounds and stimulating your tongue at the same time. Those pathways are located close together in the brain and by stimulating both at the same time, it's supposed to train it to filter out the noise.

bigstrat2003 42 minutes ago [-]
> The doctors were pretty useless and said they couldn't see anything wrong and to just live with it.

Unfortunately that is the truth of it. Sometimes tinnitus can be traced to other parts of the body, but more often it seems to be caused by the brain acting up. And we just don't have enough knowledge about the brain to fix things like that, so all you can do is try to habituate.

uptown 2 hours ago [-]
Sugar or alcohol kicks mine into high gear.
m463 2 hours ago [-]
I've heard other people say this.

Wonder if the root cause is inflammation, which might go up with stress, bad sleep, bad diet, etc

criddell 53 minutes ago [-]
It seems like inflammation accompanies lots of maladies.

Would you call it the root cause though when inflammation itself likely has causes?

OptionOfT 1 hours ago [-]
What's interesting for me is my tinnitus is off when I wake up, and then all of the sudden it turns on. Very weird.
PeterStuer 2 hours ago [-]
I got tinnitus from a failing Toshiba notebook hard drive. I can not sleep without masking noises. A real washing machine or dishwasher is S-tier, but more often than not the C-tier fallback has to be monotone Youtube autoplay lectures.
owlninja 3 hours ago [-]
I've had it for nearly 20 years, and I know it came from an incident shooting firearms with not enough (none) protection. Most days I don't think about it anymore. However if I am tired or stressed, it seems to turn up to 11. I've read many people get depressed or they can't get over it, luckily I seem to deal with it alright, but wouldn't wish it on anyone. Protect your hearing!
Neekerer 2 hours ago [-]
Ive had almost the exsct same experience. I dropped 100+ rounds through my mosin one day stupidly without hearing protetcion, and have been listening to my electric crickets ever since. It isnt distracting at this point but would be nice to turn off eventually.
nabbed 4 hours ago [-]
In my 20s and 30s, I used to turn on the TV to cover up my tinnitus so I could fall asleep. The TV probably didn't help the quality of my sleep, so maybe that's why my tinnitus got progressively worse (especially in my right ear). Once I got a TV with a sleep timer, I would set it so the TV wouldn't be on all night.

My tinnitus is much worse now, but I don't have a TV in my room anymore, so I just play a podcast on my iPad. That tiny built-in speaker doesn't really cover up the tinnitus, but the voices lull me to sleep (which is probably what the TV was doing all along).

degoldman100 1 hours ago [-]
Mine started whilst I was skateboarding with in ear headphones in listening to slayer full volume, had a big slam with headphones in, left side of head hit the floor and had a loud ringing in my ears ever since.

Always had trouble falling asleep though, ever since I was a young sperm.

RockstarSprain 3 hours ago [-]
Personal anecdote: removing a lower wisdom tooth that was close to the jaw nerve nearly cured my tinnitus back in the day.

The surgeon dentist was really surprised by this and could not evoke any similar cases in their practice before mine.

cassepipe 4 hours ago [-]
A friend of mine who had it at night and who is not a smoker realized that smoking a cigarette would calm her tinnitus and allow her to sleep. Anyone had a similar experience with cigarette and/or nicotin ?
posix_compliant 3 hours ago [-]
Sleep is one of the only things I’ve found can actually improve the tinnitus I’ve had for almost 3 years. Every other tactic I have is essentially avoiding making it worse.
arnonejoe 3 hours ago [-]
Just reading the title made my tinnitus come back.
Towaway69 1 hours ago [-]
Someone explaining their tinnitus symptoms made me realise that I had tinnitus for years. Until then I didn’t “hear” it because I just assumed it was normal.

Since then, I’ve realised that tinnitus is contagious! So I prefer not to talk about it just in case I pass it on.

glimshe 4 hours ago [-]
I don't have tinnitus (as in "chronic tinnitus") but sometimes I hear it for a few minutes after I have a poor night of sleep...
m3kw9 4 hours ago [-]
And sleep is related to air way/jaw/tongue/bite issues which causes mouth breathing and sleep apenia. Get it checked out by your dentist
bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
I doubt most dentists know more about sleep apnea than you do. Look elsewhere.
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jmclnx 5 hours ago [-]
I remember reading somewhere a Doctor found a way to 'cure' ringing in the ears temporarily for almost a year in some people by doing something with a tuning-fork.

But after that article I heard nothing more. I just looked it up and seems it may not be a reliable method.

wcoenen 4 hours ago [-]
I can play a pure sine wave tone with a tone generator app, and dial the frequency up until it precisely matches my tinnitus. I originally did this just to determine that frequency.

But I noticed a side-effect: if I then turn off the tone generator, my tinnitus would disappear! Unfortunately that effect only lasts for a minute or less, so it is not really practical to get relief this way.

magnetic 4 hours ago [-]
That's called "residual inhibition".

Note that I would be careful about using pure tones for too long. Pure tones end up focusing the energy in your cochlea towards a small area of hair cells. Since these cells don't regenerate, it may be wise to avoid overstressing them.

bookofjoe 4 hours ago [-]
That is fascinating.
Aboutplants 4 hours ago [-]
I have a coworker that swears by certain sound baths to remedy his tinnitus. It “cures” him for 10-12 months and then he just goes back.
ajb 4 hours ago [-]
Don't know about the tuning fork one, but there is a method where by if you poke some muscle on the back of your neck repeatedly, it stops for some people. This is apparently due to that muscle being the thing that makes a noise, and poking it eventually physically exhausts it temporarily. Obviously that only works if that's your cause.
closewith 1 hours ago [-]
Masseter and suboccipital muscle massage that I read about on Reddit of all places instantly reduced my subjective tinnitus by maybe 90% about five years ago. It's not permanent but lasts months and has worked for me for years. I now need near total silence to hear the tone, and it completely resolved the condition as a daily problem for me.
bookofjoe 5 hours ago [-]
I vaguely recall that tuning fork remedy as well
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