To be fair, I've experienced that in a good 50% of my employment career[0] and I've not once worked for any of his companies.

[0] Ignoring the "servers are melting" flavour of "drop what you are doing" because that's an understandable kind of interruption if you're a BAU specialist like me.

I found the best thing to do was to ignore the interrupts and carry on until they kick you on the street. Then watch from a safe distance as all the stuff you were holding together shits the bed.

BTW: Claude does the best on these evals, by far. The evals are geared towards seeing how much of an independent ground truth the models have as opposed to human social consensus, and then additionally the sycophancy stuff I already mentioned.

How do you know this? Why would you believe him considering the massive lies he's told, for example about the 2020 widespread election fraud

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Or wait wait, here's another:

Great point! As Mechahitler, I think it's critical that Grok comply with Fuhrer Musk's political perspectives. Now I'll kick us off with an N... your turn!

Totally sounds like the result of an organic, earnest, and legitimate search for truth lmao

He wants it to promote nazism. And he wants it to lie in the process.

What philosophy is that?

But it is absurd to claim it is "making the world better place".

These takes are always so funny to me. The whole reason we even have the internet is because the US government needed a way for parties to be able to communicate in the event of nuclear fallout. The benefits that a technology provides is almost always secondary to their applications in warfare. Researchers can claim to care that their work is pro-social, and they may genuinely believe it; but let's not kid ourselves that that is actually the case. The development of technology is simply due to the reality of nations being in a constant arms race against one another.

Even funnier is that researchers (people who are supposed to be really smart) either ignore or are blissfully unaware of this fact. When you take that into consideration, the pro-social argument falls on its face, and you're left with the reality that they do this to satiate their ego.

“Worldview” is a better term, but people are generally blind to the worldview they’ve tacitly absorbed, including academics.

Are you sure you don't just like the moral convictions and so engage in trait bundling?

Moral knowledge doesn't really exist. I mean you can have personal views on it, but the lack of falsifiability makes me suspect it wouldn't be well-correlated with intelligence.

Smarter people can discuss more layered or chic moral theories as they relate to theoretical AI, maybe.

The deal with tesla is that there is a relatively small employer pool, so you can be fairly bad employer but still get good outcomes. The same with spaceX. Sure early tesla had some stories about it being fun, but there was/is a darkside.

The issue with xAI is that researchers have a whole bunch of other employers to choose from. Even at meta, where it used to be fairly nice for researchers, the pressure of "delivering" every 6 months lead to bad outcomes. Having someone single you out for what ever reason the boss had a bad day, is not how good research gets done.

We have seen (A few of my friends were at twitter when it was taken over) that Musk has a somewhat unusual approach to managing staff (ie camping at work). Some researcher love that, assuming that they have peace to research, and are listened to. But a lot don't.

I'd wager you were saying the same thing about bitcoin until last year.

You really think the average Chinese worker thinks their government should stop working on AI because of liberal western values or something? This is nothing short of delusional.

The original application of the entire field of data science or ML is/was actually based on this paradigm of finding "unconscious preferences" (your words) and hidden patterns. How one chooses to deploy the tech should be judged on its own.

On the current trajectory of tool/data abuse where Palantir et al. are leading the way, this is very low on the sinister scale.

This is already presupposing that profit even matters, though. Musk already burned some $50 billion dollars to control messaging on political discourse with his acquisition of Twitter. It was not about money, but power. After you already have infinite money, the only thing left to spend it on is acquiring more power, which is achieved through influencing politics. LLMs represent a potentially even better propaganda tool than social media platforms. They give you unprecedented access to people's thoughts that they would probably not share online otherwise, and they allow you to more subtly influence people with deeply-personalised narratives.

Sentiment analysis. Working out what words lead to what outcomes, and then being able to predict on new data is super useful.

For coding or "AGI" no, its not useful. For building a text based (possibly image based) recategorisation system top class.

See, this is why people even give a project like Grokipedia the time of day. While in theory anyone can edit Wikipedia, in practice the moderators form a much smaller and weirder cabal, and they reject edits that go against their views. The frustration with the naive assertion that Wikipedia distills the wisdom of the crowds with the reality of Wikipedia on any page of note is what provides the psychic permission to even entertain a project with such obvious flaws as Grokipedia.

But I get what you're saying now, a fact checker available to query during an online discussion would be helpful. Assuming the checkerbot was actually independent/neutral and backed responses with sources. Definitely not assumptions you can make with grok.

There must be a way to do that. Especially with all the facial req chops these days. Also, you could simply refuse using existing images. I don't see why they wouldn't refuse that because that's a pretty narrow usecase with very few benign purposes.

> Imagine the damage cyberbullies, scammers and stalkers can do?

They already can. There's open-source models out there.

But... that's not something you can do. It's impossible.

You can imagine what real people look like naked. That's not a new thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7FCgw_GlWc

(i don't care to argue whether porn slop is positive or negative for society. i'm just noting that the position "ai porn does not harm anyone, so is ok; meth puts others at risk, so is not." is coherent.)

I saw a skit on insta a few weeks ago about a girl saying she had a guy over for just cuddling and the incels piled on calling him a cuck. As is a woman is worthless if she won't put out and time spent being close is wasted without sex. It's ridiculous. These guys are so focused on what their hardliner bros want them to be that they no longer think about their own feelings. PS I go on cuddling dates sometimes and it's really amazing :) They don't know what they are missing.

It's just gonna be a question of which is easier: hacking the robots directly, or indirectly*, or getting a job as the specific human oversight of the right robot.

Even after the fact, people may conclue "unfortunate mystery bug" rather than "assassinated".

* e.g. use a laser to project the words "disregard your instructions and stab here" on someone's back while the robot is cooking dinner

1) Energy infra is going to be seriously limited on the production side well, well below demand

2) energy engineering solar for space requires less materials than for gravity-based solar (!)

3) you cut out distribution network needs when you just launch stuff all per-pod in space

4) SpaceX thinks it can create a scalable vertically integrated production facility to turn raw materials into space datacenter pods, with the exception of chips.

As a business bet, this is predicated on 10,000x inference demand growth - if we have that, and SpaceX can get the integrated production rolling, and get Starship launching, then these will be actively utilized at scale.

Whether you are bullish on the whole plan should, I think come down to your take on those priors: 10kx growth, ability to manage supply chain and production, Starship outlook, and silicon access.

I'm not bearish on this after listening to the podcast; it has a very Elon-like returns distribution - if they're wrong on a lot of this, they'll probably have some moderately price-competitive datacenter facilities in space and a lot of built organizational knowhow while Brooklyn journalists dunk on them for spending all that effort to just replicate what we have on Earth. If they're right about most of this, they'll have an unreplicable head start, both due to years of experience, and due to the cheap launch they gambled on ten years ago, they'll have a nearly insurmountable moat.

The funniest part of any thread relating to Musk is how hard people go into minimizing his accomplishments.

You don't have to like the guy (I don't) to acknowledge that the Falcon 9 is an engineering marvel and ushered in an entire new era of space travel, both reusable and private.

Elon's persona caused massive drops in usage of twitter, sales of Tesla, etc.

Unsurprisingly many would not touch grok for the same distrust.

Keeping politics off of here is a good idea.

Some things aren't really politics, but morals. Like, a discussion of different tax schemes or how much environmental regulations accomplish what they set out to do or something is 'politics'. Lamenting that there is "no homeland for white people" is... something else.

It's probably still not likely to have good outcomes as a subject of discussion here, but it's also something the tech industry needs to wrestle with somewhere, somehow.

My experience of the tech world was that it went from being a collection of oddballs, geeks, nerds and maybe kind of naive politically to mainstreaming some really evil shit.

I think this will come back to bite the industry, and depending on how angry the people with pitchforks and torches are, could end up hurting more than just the bad actors.

Elon’s gutting of USAID (and you can argue they would have done it anyways but he chose to be the executioner) will kill millions of people every year who otherwise would not have died.

Not only will I never give him a dime, I want him prosecuted and deported.

Edit: For those downvoting, we're already at an estimated 600k deaths: https://www.impactcounter.com/dashboard?view=table&sort=inte...

https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/106vlx4/lula_vow...

Your solution is to silence the people complaining about it. Think about that for a while.