LLMs and LLM providers are massive black boxes. I get a lot of value from them and so I can put up with that to a certain extent, but these new "products"/features that Anthropic are shipping are very unappealing to me. Not because I can't see a use-case for them, but because I have 0 trust in them:
- No trust that they won't nerf the tool/model behind the feature
- No trust they won't sunset the feature (the graveyard of LLM-features is vast and growing quickly while they throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks)
- No trust in the company long-term. Both in them being around at all and them not rug-pulling. I don't want to build on their "platform". I'll use their harness and their models but I don't want more lock-in than that.
If Anthropic goes "bad" I want to pick up and move to another harness and/or model with minimal fuss. Buying in to things like this would make that much harder.
I'm not going to build my business or my development flows on things I can't replicate myself. Also, I imagine debugging any of this would be maddening. The value add is just not there IMHO.
EDIT: Put another way, LLM companies are trying to climb the ladder to be a platform, I have zero interest in that, I was a "dumb pipe", I want a commodity, I want a provider, not a platform. Claude Code is as far into the dragon's lair that I want to venture and I'm only okay with that because I know I can jump to OpenCode/Codex/etc if/when Anthropic "goes bad".
mikepurvis 3 minutes ago [-]
> I want to pick up and move to another harness and/or model with minimal fuss. Buying in to things like this would make that much harder.
Yes, I expect that is very much the point here. A bunch of product guys got on a whiteboard and said, okay the thing is in wide use but the main moat is that our competitors are even more distrusted in the market than we are; other than that it's completely undifferentiated and can be swapped out in a heartbeat for multiple other offerings. How do we do we persuade our investors we have a locked in customer base that won't just up-stakes in favour of other options or just running open source models themselves?
palata 26 minutes ago [-]
> - No trust that they won't nerf the tool/model behind the feature
I actually trust that they will.
gardenhedge 17 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, I build my workflows with two things in mind:
1) that AI will be more advanced in the future
2) that the AI I am using will be worse in the future
chinathrow 60 minutes ago [-]
Yeah so better to convert tokens into sw doing the job at close to zero costs running on own systems.
cush 12 minutes ago [-]
You could so easily build your own /schedule. This is hardly a feature driving lock-in
verdverm 57 minutes ago [-]
I fully endorse building a custom stack (1) because you will learn a lot (2) for full control and not having Big Ai define our UX/DX for this technology. Let's learn from history this time around?
andrewmcwatters 48 minutes ago [-]
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andai 2 hours ago [-]
I'm a little confused on the ToS here. From what I gathered, running `claude -p <prompt>` on cron is fine, but putting it in my Telegram bot is a ToS violation (unless I use per-token billing) because it's a 3rd party harness, right? (`claude -p` being a trivial workaround for the "no 3rd party stuff on the subscription" rule)
This Routines feature notably works with the subscription, and it also has API callbacks. So if my Telegram bot calls that API... do I get my Anthropic account nuked or not?
joshstrange 1 hours ago [-]
Anthropic deserves to have this as the top comment on every HN post. It's absurd that they don't clarify this better and so many people are running around online saying the exact opposite from what their, confusing, docs say.
The Chilling Effect of this is real and it gets more and more frustrating that they can't or won't clarify.
throwup238 53 minutes ago [-]
It’s also absurd that they’re doing their communication on a bunch of separate platforms like HN, Reddit, and Github with no coherent strategy or consistency as far as I can tell. Can’t I just get policy clarifications in my email like a normal business?
I downgraded my $200/mo sub to $20 this past week and I’m going to try out Codex’s Pro plans. Between the cache TTL (does it even affect me? No idea), changes in the rate limit, 429 rate limit HTTP status code during business hours, adaptive thinking (literally the worst decision they’ve ever made, as far as my line of work is concerned), dumb agent behavior silently creating batshit insane fallthroughs, clearly vibe coded harness/infrastructure, and their total lack of transparency, I think I’m done. It was fun while it lasted but I’m tired of paying for their mistakes in capacity planning and I feel like the big rug pull (from all three SOTA providers) is coming like a freight train.
unshavedyak 2 hours ago [-]
Wait we can't use claude -p around other tools? What is the point of the JSON SDK then? Anthropic is confusing here, ugh.
edit: And specifically i'm making an IDE, and trying to get ClaudeCode into it. I frankly have no clue when Claude usage is simply part of an IDE and "okay" and when it becomes a third party harness..
cortesoft 1 hours ago [-]
I was pretty sure that claude -p would always be fine, but I looked at the TOS and it is a bit unclear.
It says in the prohibited use section:
> Except when you are accessing our Services via an Anthropic API Key or where we otherwise explicitly permit it, to access the Services through automated or non-human means, whether through a bot, script, or otherwise.
So it seems like using a harness or your own tools to call claude -p is fine, AS LONG AS A HUMAN TRIGGERS IT. They don’t want you using the subscription to automate things calling claude -p… unless you do it through their automation tools I guess? But what if you use their automation tool to call your harness that calls claude -p? I don’t actually know. Does it matter if your tool loops to call claude -p? Or if your automation just makes repeated calls to a routine that uses your harness to make one claude -p call?
It is not nearly as clear as I thought 10 minutes ago.
Edit: Well, I was just checking my usage page and noticed the new 'Daily included routine runs' section, where it says you get 15 free routine runs with your subscription (at least with my max one), and then it switches to extra usage after that. So I guess that answers some of the questions... by using their routine functionality they are able to limit your automation potential (at least somewhat) in terms of maxing out your subscription usage.
Possibly, though at first i was entirely focusing (and still am) on Claude Code usage. Given that CC had an API, i figured its own SDK would update faster/better/etc to new Claude features that Anthropic introduces. I'm sure ACP is a flexible protocol, but nonetheless i was just aiming for direct Claude integration.. and you know, it's an official SDK, seemed quite logical to me.
It would be absurd to me if the same application is somehow allowed via ACP but not via official SDK. Though perhaps the official SDK offers data/features that they don't want you to use for certain scenarios? If that were they case though it would be nice if they actually published a per-SDK-API restrictions list.
They’re shooting themselves in the foot with these dumb restrictions.
taytus 1 hours ago [-]
They are not dumb restrictions. They just don't have the compute. That is the dumb part. Dario did not secure the compute they need so now they are obviously struggling.
joshstrange 1 hours ago [-]
The restrictions are dumb not because they're lower than any of us want them to be, but because they're unclear. Every time Claude comes up on Hacker News, someone asks this question. And every time people chime in to agree that they also are unclear or someone weighs in saying, no, it's totally clear, while proceeding not to point at any official resource and/or to "explain" the rules in a that is incompatible with official documentation.
You are arguing something different. My point is that they must apply these restrictions. Do I think they could have calculated their growth a little better? Yes, of course, but hindsight is 20/20.
dgellow 1 hours ago [-]
Their growth over the past months has been more than insane. It’s completely expected they don’t have the compute. You don’t have infinite data centers around
taytus 27 minutes ago [-]
Like or not, openai isn't having the same compute strain, meaning this was predictable.
Eldodi 1 hours ago [-]
Anthropic is really good at releasing features that are almost the same but not exactly the same as other features they released the week before
dymk 1 hours ago [-]
7 days is long enough for work to leave the context window, hence…
tclancy 1 hours ago [-]
And or things I’ve spent a bunch of time building already. And naming them the same. I should have trademarked “dispatch”!
dbish 38 minutes ago [-]
you're telling me dispatchagents.ai :) (open to new names if anyone has cool ones, didn't expect anthropic to start using dispatch with their agents, naming is way too hard)
spelunker 1 hours ago [-]
> In the Desktop app, click New task and choose New remote task; choosing New local task instead creates a local Desktop scheduled task, which runs on your machine and is not a routine.
Oh uh... ok then.
minimaxir 2 hours ago [-]
Given the alleged recent extreme reduction in Claude Code usage limits (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47739260), how do these more autonomous tools work within that constraint? Are they effectively only usable with a 20x Max plan?
EDIT: This comment is apparently [dead] and idk why.
imhoguy 4 minutes ago [-]
AI race to the bottom is a debt game now. Once the party is over somebody will have to pay the bill.
giancarlostoro 37 minutes ago [-]
I've been talking to friends about this extensively, and read all sorts of different social media posts on X where people deep dove things (I'm at work so I don't have any links handy - though I did submit one on HN, grain of salt, unsure how valid it is but it was interesting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47752049 ).
I think the real issue stems from the 1 Million token context window change. They did not anticipate the amount of load it would give you. That first few days after they released the new token window, I was making amazing things in one single session from nothing, to something (a new .NET based programming language inspired by Python, and a Virtual Actor framework in Rust). I think since then they've been trying too many things to tweak things, whilst irritating their users.
They even added a new "Max" thinking mode, and made "High" the old medium, which is ridiculous because you think you're using "High" but really you're not. There's a hidden config file to change their terrible defaults to let Claude be smarter still, and apparently you can toggle off the 1M tokens.
I think the real fix, and I'm surprised nobody there has done this yet, is to let the user trim down their context window.
Think about it, you used to have what? 350k tokens or so? Now Claude will keep sending your prompt from 30 minutes ago that's completely irrelevant to the back-end, whereas 3 months ago it would have been compacted by now.
Others have noted that similar prompting for some ungodly reason adds tens of thousands of extra garbage tokens (not sure why).
Edit looks like someone figured out that if you downgrade your version of Claude Code and change one single setting it unruins Claude:
Yeah, I have been seeing lots of comments, tweets, etc, but given everything I have learned about these models - i do not think the change to 1M was innocuous. I'm not sure what they've claimed publicly, but I'm fairly certain they must be doing additional quantization, or at minimum additional quantization of the KV cache. Plus, sequence length can change things even when not fully utilized. I had to manually re-enable the "clear context and continue" feature as well.
breakingcups 1 hours ago [-]
You seem to be vouched for now, no longer dead for me.
minimaxir 1 hours ago [-]
Hmm, I can't edit the original comment to retract that edit either. Either my account is flagged for something or HN is being weird.
TacticalCoder 1 hours ago [-]
Everything looks good to me: you don't look like you have a flagged account (but then I don't work for HN).
sminchev 13 minutes ago [-]
Everything is big race! Each company is trying to do as much as possible, to provide as many tools as possible, to catch the wave and beat the concurrency. I remember how Antropic and OpenAI made releases in just 10-15 minutes of difference, trying to compete and gain momentum.
And because they use AI heavily, they produce new product every week. So fast, that I have no time to check, does it worth or not.
This one looks interesting. I have some custom commands that I execute manually weekly, for monitoring, audits, summary, reports.
It it can send reports on email, or generate something that I can read in the morning with my coffee, or after I finish with it ;) it might be a good tool.
The question is, do I really want to so much productive? I am already much better in performance with AI, compared with the 'old school' way...
Everything is just getting to much for me.
ctoth 2 hours ago [-]
You'd think that if they were compute-limited ... Trying to get people to use it less ... The rational thing to do would be to not ship features that will use more compute automatedly? Or does this use extra usage?
whicks 2 hours ago [-]
I would imagine that this sort of scheduling allows them to have more predictable loads, and they may be hoping that people will schedule some of their tasks in “off hours” to reduce daytime load.
andai 2 hours ago [-]
It also beats OC's heartbeat where it auto-runs every 30 minutes and runs a bunch of prompts to see if it actually needed to run or not.
pkulak 2 hours ago [-]
Man, this just bit me too. I started playing with OC over the weekend (in a VM), and the spend was INSANE even though I wasn't doing anything. I don't see this as very useful as an "assistant" that wanders around and anticipates my needs. But I do like the job system, and the ability to make skills, then run them on a schedule or in response to events. But when I looked into what it was doing behind my back, 48 times a day it was packaging up 20K tokens of silly context ("Be a good agent, be helpful, etc, for 30 paragraphs"), shipping it off to the model, and then responding with a single HEARTBEAT_OK.
Luckily you can turn if off pretty easily, but I don't know why it's on by default to begin with. I guess holdover from when people used it with a $20 subscription and didn't care.
pletnes 1 hours ago [-]
Also you can schedule it a bit off. Every hour? Delay it a few seconds. Can’t do that with a chat message. Also, batch up a bunch of them, maybe save some compute that way? Latency is not an issue.
ctoth 2 hours ago [-]
I thought about that but I'm pretty sure that if the backlog is automatically clean and I don't need to run my skill for that when I start up in the morning that just means I can do the next task I would have done which will probably use Claude Code.
Your own, personal, Jevons.
AlexCoventry 45 minutes ago [-]
I don't think "usage" is exactly the metric they're going for, more like "usage in line with our developmental strategy." Transcripts of people using Claude to write code are probably far more valuable to them than transcripts of OpenClaw trying to set up a calendar invite.
fgkramer 36 minutes ago [-]
I mean, they don’t train on your data unless you have the setting enabled.
Do you really think they are reading your prompts at all?
Free inference providers sure, but Anthropic?
iBelieve 2 hours ago [-]
Max accounts get 15 daily runs included, any runs above that will get billed as extra usage.
dockerd 2 hours ago [-]
It's how they can lock more users into their eco-system.
tills13 7 minutes ago [-]
> react to GitHub events from Anthropic-managed cloud infrastructure
Oh cool! vendor lock-in.
eranation 1 hours ago [-]
I've been using it for a while (it was just called "Scheduled", so I assume this is an attempt to rebrand it?)
It was a bit buggy, but it seems to work better now. Some use cases that worked for me:
1. Go over a slack channel used for feedback for an internal tool, triage, open issues, fix obvious ones, reply with the PR link. Some devs liked it, some freaked out. I kept it.
2. Surprisingly non code related - give me a daily rundown (GitHub activity, slack messages, emails) - tried it with non Claude Code scheduled tasks (CoWork) not as good, as it seems the GitHub connector only works in Claude Code. Really good correlation between threads that start on slack, related to email (outlook), or even my personal gmail.
I can share the markdowns if anyone is interested, but it's pretty basic.
They support much of the same triggers and come with many additional security controls out of the box
gavinray 1 hours ago [-]
Why have I not heard of this? Was looking for a way to integrate LLM CLI's to do automated feature development + PR submission triggered by Github issues, seems like this would solve it.
mellosouls 2 hours ago [-]
Put Claude Code on autopilot. Define routines that run on a schedule, trigger on API calls, or react to GitHub events...
We ought to come up with a term for this new discipline, eg "software engineering" or "programming"
avaer 2 hours ago [-]
Setting up your agent. This part doesn't deserve a name; there is no programming or engineering or really much thinking involved.
This wild, one of the pieces I was lacking for a very openclaw-esque future. Now I think I have all the mcp tools I need (github, linear, slack, gmail, querybear), all the skills I need, and now can run these on a loop.
Am I needed anymore?
brcmthrowaway 27 minutes ago [-]
No
netdur 2 hours ago [-]
didn’t we have several antitrust cases where a vendor used its monopoly to disadvantage rivals? did not anthropic block openclaw?
Someone1234 58 minutes ago [-]
They did not.
You can still use OpenClaw on their API pricing tier as much as you want. What they did is not allow subscriptions to be used to power automated third-party workloads, including OpenClaw.
Now, is their messaging around this confusing? Absolutely. The whole thing has been handled shambolically. Everyone knows that they lack the compute to keep up, and likely have lower margins on subscriptions than API; but they cannot just say that because investors may be skittish.
dmix 2 hours ago [-]
How is Anthropic a monopoly? The market is barely even fully developed and has multiple large and small competitors
andai 2 hours ago [-]
It's not blocked, you just can't use the Claude-only subscription endpoint with unauthorized 3rd party software. (You can use it via the regular API (7x more expensive) and pay per token just fine.)
...Except now you sorta-kinda can: now they auto-detect 3rd party stuff and bill you per-token for it?
I have a small team of 4 engineers, each of us is on the personal max subscription plan and prefer to stay this way to save cost.
Does anyone know how I can overcome the challenge with setting up Routines or Scheduled Tasks with Anthropic infra in a collaborate manner: ie: all teammates can contribute to these nightly job of cleaning up the docs, cleaning up vibe coding slops.
hallway_monitor 12 minutes ago [-]
My team was doing this until recently but I think in February, Anthropic made team accounts available for subscription instead of API billing. Assuming that is the cost you mentioned.
srid 47 minutes ago [-]
I just used this to summarize HN posts in last 24 hours, including AI summaries.
I wish they'd release more stuff that didn't rely on me routing all my data through their cloud to work. Obviously the LLM is cloud based but I don't want any more lock-in than that. Plus not everyone has their repositories in GitHub.
vessenes 2 hours ago [-]
This is one of the best features of OpenClaw - makes sense to swipe it into Claude Code directly. I wonder if Anthropic wants to just make claude a full stand-in replacement for openclaw, or just chip away at what they think the best features are, now that oAI has acquired.
mkw5053 2 hours ago [-]
What are some of the best use cases you've found? I have some gh actions set up to call claude code, but those have already been possible.
airstrike 2 hours ago [-]
Still no moat.
The reason someone would use this vs. third-party alternatives is still the fact that the $200/mo subscription is markedly cheaper than per-token API billing.
Not sure how this works out in the long term when switching costs are virtually zero.
This is massive. Arguably will be the start of the move to openclaw-style AI.
I bet anthropic wants to be there already but doesn't have the compute to support it yet.
jcims 58 minutes ago [-]
Is there a consensus on whether or not we've reached Zawinski's Law?
senko 56 minutes ago [-]
I've had an AI assistant send me email digests with local news, and another watching a cron job, analyzing the logs and sending me reports if there's any problem.
I'd say that counts as yes.
(For clarity: neither are powered by Claude Code Routines. Rather, Claude Code coded them and they're simple cron jobs themselves.)
verdverm 54 minutes ago [-]
TIL email is what I'm missing in my personal development (swiss army) tool
watermelon0 2 hours ago [-]
Seems like it only supports x86_64. It would be nice if they offered a way to bring your own compute, to be able to work on projects targeting arm64.
teucris 33 minutes ago [-]
My only real disappointment with Claude is its flakiness with scheduling tasks. I have several Slack related tasks that I’ve pretty much given up trying to automate - I’ve tried Cowork and Claude Code remote agents, only to find various bugs with working with plugins and connectors. I guess I’ll give this a try, but I don’t have high hopes.
nico 2 hours ago [-]
Nice, could this enable n8n-style workflows that run fully automatically then?
outofpaper 2 hours ago [-]
Yes but much less efficiently. Having LLMs handle automation is like using a steam engine to heat your bath water. It will work most of the time but it's super inefficient and not really designed for that use and it can go horribly wrong from time to time.
meetingthrower 2 hours ago [-]
Correct. But the llm can also program you the exact automation you want! Much more efficiently than gui madness with N8N. And if you want observability just program that too!
meetingthrower 2 hours ago [-]
Already very possible and super easy if you do a little vibecoding. Although it will hit the api. Have a stack polling my email every five minutes, classifying email, taking action based on the types. 30 minute coding session.
desireco42 2 hours ago [-]
I think they are using Claude to come up with these and they will bringing one every second day... In fact, this is probably routine they set.
verdverm 58 minutes ago [-]
One gripe I have with Claude Code is that the CLI, Desktop app, and apparently the Webapp have a Venn Diagram of features. Plugins (sets of skills and more) are supported in Code CLI, maybe in Cowork (custom fail to import) but not Code Desktop. Now this?
The report that they are 90% Ai code generated seems more likely the more I attempt to use their products.
ale 2 hours ago [-]
So MCP servers all over again? I mean at the end of the day this is yet another way of injecting data into a prompt that’s fed to a model and returned back to you.
consumer451 2 hours ago [-]
meta:
Sorry, but I just have to ask. Why is u/minimaxir's comment dead? Is this somehow an error, an attack, or what?
This is a respected user, with a sane question, no?
I vouched, but not enough.
edit: His comment has arisen now. Leaving this up for reference.
irthomasthomas 5 minutes ago [-]
We live in strange times!
varispeed 2 hours ago [-]
Why would you use it if you don't know whether the model will be nerfed at that run?
crooked-v 2 hours ago [-]
The obvious functionality that seems to be missing here is any way to organize and control these at an organization rather than individual level.
bpodgursky 2 hours ago [-]
OpenClawd had about a two week moat...
Feature delivery rate by Anthropic is basically a fast takeoff in miniature. Pushing out multiple features each week that used to take enterprises quarters to deliver.
irthomasthomas 7 minutes ago [-]
The velocity of shipping is wild. Though I cannot recall a novel feature shipped first. Can you?
jcims 49 minutes ago [-]
>Feature delivery rate by Anthropic is basically a fast takeoff in miniature.
I like to just check the release notes from time to time:
Do you mean a 3 months moat? Moltbot started going viral in January. That seems to be about a quarter to deliver to me : )
whalesalad 2 hours ago [-]
Hard to wanna go all-in on the Anthropic ecosystem with how inconsistent model output from their top-tier has been recently. I pay $$$ for api-level opus 4.6 to avoid any low-tier binning or throttling or subversive "its peak rn so we're gonna serve up sonnet in place of opus for the next few hours" but I still find that the quality has been really hit or miss lately.
The bell curve up and then back down has been so jarring that I am pivoting to fully diversifying my use of all models to ensure that no one org has me by the horns.
bpodgursky 2 hours ago [-]
yeah i mean nobody uses Claude anymore, the utilization is too high
chrisweekly 2 hours ago [-]
right, like the bar nobody goes to anymore bc it's always too crowded
renticulous 2 hours ago [-]
Anthropic is trying to be AI version of AWS.
twoodfin 55 minutes ago [-]
That is a really tough business if you can't match AWS' efficiency & reliability at scale. Presumably AWS also wants to be the AI version of AWS.
(Amazon + Anthropic does seem like a much more compelling enterprise collaboration / acquisition than Microsoft + OpenAI ever did.)
dbbk 2 hours ago [-]
And yet none of them work properly and are unstable.
slopinthebag 2 hours ago [-]
You're delusional if you think these features would take competent programmers quarters to deliver.
buster 1 hours ago [-]
He said "enterprises" not "competent programmers".
unshavedyak 1 hours ago [-]
Maybe they were accounting for huge layers of red tape in large orgs. God knows those are far slower than "competent programmers" lol
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- No trust that they won't nerf the tool/model behind the feature
- No trust they won't sunset the feature (the graveyard of LLM-features is vast and growing quickly while they throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks)
- No trust in the company long-term. Both in them being around at all and them not rug-pulling. I don't want to build on their "platform". I'll use their harness and their models but I don't want more lock-in than that.
If Anthropic goes "bad" I want to pick up and move to another harness and/or model with minimal fuss. Buying in to things like this would make that much harder.
I'm not going to build my business or my development flows on things I can't replicate myself. Also, I imagine debugging any of this would be maddening. The value add is just not there IMHO.
EDIT: Put another way, LLM companies are trying to climb the ladder to be a platform, I have zero interest in that, I was a "dumb pipe", I want a commodity, I want a provider, not a platform. Claude Code is as far into the dragon's lair that I want to venture and I'm only okay with that because I know I can jump to OpenCode/Codex/etc if/when Anthropic "goes bad".
Yes, I expect that is very much the point here. A bunch of product guys got on a whiteboard and said, okay the thing is in wide use but the main moat is that our competitors are even more distrusted in the market than we are; other than that it's completely undifferentiated and can be swapped out in a heartbeat for multiple other offerings. How do we do we persuade our investors we have a locked in customer base that won't just up-stakes in favour of other options or just running open source models themselves?
I actually trust that they will.
1) that AI will be more advanced in the future
2) that the AI I am using will be worse in the future
This Routines feature notably works with the subscription, and it also has API callbacks. So if my Telegram bot calls that API... do I get my Anthropic account nuked or not?
The Chilling Effect of this is real and it gets more and more frustrating that they can't or won't clarify.
I downgraded my $200/mo sub to $20 this past week and I’m going to try out Codex’s Pro plans. Between the cache TTL (does it even affect me? No idea), changes in the rate limit, 429 rate limit HTTP status code during business hours, adaptive thinking (literally the worst decision they’ve ever made, as far as my line of work is concerned), dumb agent behavior silently creating batshit insane fallthroughs, clearly vibe coded harness/infrastructure, and their total lack of transparency, I think I’m done. It was fun while it lasted but I’m tired of paying for their mistakes in capacity planning and I feel like the big rug pull (from all three SOTA providers) is coming like a freight train.
edit: And specifically i'm making an IDE, and trying to get ClaudeCode into it. I frankly have no clue when Claude usage is simply part of an IDE and "okay" and when it becomes a third party harness..
It says in the prohibited use section:
> Except when you are accessing our Services via an Anthropic API Key or where we otherwise explicitly permit it, to access the Services through automated or non-human means, whether through a bot, script, or otherwise.
So it seems like using a harness or your own tools to call claude -p is fine, AS LONG AS A HUMAN TRIGGERS IT. They don’t want you using the subscription to automate things calling claude -p… unless you do it through their automation tools I guess? But what if you use their automation tool to call your harness that calls claude -p? I don’t actually know. Does it matter if your tool loops to call claude -p? Or if your automation just makes repeated calls to a routine that uses your harness to make one claude -p call?
It is not nearly as clear as I thought 10 minutes ago.
Edit: Well, I was just checking my usage page and noticed the new 'Daily included routine runs' section, where it says you get 15 free routine runs with your subscription (at least with my max one), and then it switches to extra usage after that. So I guess that answers some of the questions... by using their routine functionality they are able to limit your automation potential (at least somewhat) in terms of maxing out your subscription usage.
It would be absurd to me if the same application is somehow allowed via ACP but not via official SDK. Though perhaps the official SDK offers data/features that they don't want you to use for certain scenarios? If that were they case though it would be nice if they actually published a per-SDK-API restrictions list.
That we're having to guess at this feels painful.
edit: Hah, hilariously you're still using the SDK even if you use ACP, since Claude doesn't have ACP support i believe? https://github.com/agentclientprotocol/claude-agent-acp
Example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47737924
Oh uh... ok then.
EDIT: This comment is apparently [dead] and idk why.
I think the real issue stems from the 1 Million token context window change. They did not anticipate the amount of load it would give you. That first few days after they released the new token window, I was making amazing things in one single session from nothing, to something (a new .NET based programming language inspired by Python, and a Virtual Actor framework in Rust). I think since then they've been trying too many things to tweak things, whilst irritating their users.
They even added a new "Max" thinking mode, and made "High" the old medium, which is ridiculous because you think you're using "High" but really you're not. There's a hidden config file to change their terrible defaults to let Claude be smarter still, and apparently you can toggle off the 1M tokens.
I think the real fix, and I'm surprised nobody there has done this yet, is to let the user trim down their context window.
Think about it, you used to have what? 350k tokens or so? Now Claude will keep sending your prompt from 30 minutes ago that's completely irrelevant to the back-end, whereas 3 months ago it would have been compacted by now.
Others have noted that similar prompting for some ungodly reason adds tens of thousands of extra garbage tokens (not sure why).
Edit looks like someone figured out that if you downgrade your version of Claude Code and change one single setting it unruins Claude:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47769879
And because they use AI heavily, they produce new product every week. So fast, that I have no time to check, does it worth or not.
This one looks interesting. I have some custom commands that I execute manually weekly, for monitoring, audits, summary, reports. It it can send reports on email, or generate something that I can read in the morning with my coffee, or after I finish with it ;) it might be a good tool.
The question is, do I really want to so much productive? I am already much better in performance with AI, compared with the 'old school' way...
Everything is just getting to much for me.
Luckily you can turn if off pretty easily, but I don't know why it's on by default to begin with. I guess holdover from when people used it with a $20 subscription and didn't care.
Your own, personal, Jevons.
Oh cool! vendor lock-in.
It was a bit buggy, but it seems to work better now. Some use cases that worked for me:
1. Go over a slack channel used for feedback for an internal tool, triage, open issues, fix obvious ones, reply with the PR link. Some devs liked it, some freaked out. I kept it.
2. Surprisingly non code related - give me a daily rundown (GitHub activity, slack messages, emails) - tried it with non Claude Code scheduled tasks (CoWork) not as good, as it seems the GitHub connector only works in Claude Code. Really good correlation between threads that start on slack, related to email (outlook), or even my personal gmail.
I can share the markdowns if anyone is interested, but it's pretty basic.
Very useful, (when it works).
They support much of the same triggers and come with many additional security controls out of the box
We ought to come up with a term for this new discipline, eg "software engineering" or "programming"
airgramming plusgramming programming maxgramming studiogramming
and recently the brand new way of working: Neogramming !
Personally I stick for now with the "Programming " tier. Maybe will upgrade to "Maxgramming" later this year...
Am I needed anymore?
You can still use OpenClaw on their API pricing tier as much as you want. What they did is not allow subscriptions to be used to power automated third-party workloads, including OpenClaw.
Now, is their messaging around this confusing? Absolutely. The whole thing has been handled shambolically. Everyone knows that they lack the compute to keep up, and likely have lower margins on subscriptions than API; but they cannot just say that because investors may be skittish.
...Except now you sorta-kinda can: now they auto-detect 3rd party stuff and bill you per-token for it?
If I'm reading it right:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47633568
This PR was created by the Claude Code Routine:
https://github.com/srid/claude-dump/pull/5
The original prompt: https://i.imgur.com/mWmkw5e.png
The reason someone would use this vs. third-party alternatives is still the fact that the $200/mo subscription is markedly cheaper than per-token API billing.
Not sure how this works out in the long term when switching costs are virtually zero.
All these not really helpful, but vendor specific, "bonuses" sounds like a way to try to lock people in, to try to raise the switching cost.
I'm using, on purpose, a simple process so that at any time I can switch AI provider.
I bet anthropic wants to be there already but doesn't have the compute to support it yet.
I'd say that counts as yes.
(For clarity: neither are powered by Claude Code Routines. Rather, Claude Code coded them and they're simple cron jobs themselves.)
The report that they are 90% Ai code generated seems more likely the more I attempt to use their products.
Sorry, but I just have to ask. Why is u/minimaxir's comment dead? Is this somehow an error, an attack, or what?
This is a respected user, with a sane question, no?
I vouched, but not enough.
edit: His comment has arisen now. Leaving this up for reference.
Feature delivery rate by Anthropic is basically a fast takeoff in miniature. Pushing out multiple features each week that used to take enterprises quarters to deliver.
I like to just check the release notes from time to time:
https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/releases
and the equally frenetic openclaw:
https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/releases
GPT-4.1 was released a year ago today. Sonnet 4 is ~11 months old. The claude-code cli was released last Feb. Gas Town is 3 months old.
This is a chart that simply counts the bullet points in the release notes of claude code since inception:
https://imgur.com/a/tky9Pkz
This is as bad and as slow as it's going to be.
The bell curve up and then back down has been so jarring that I am pivoting to fully diversifying my use of all models to ensure that no one org has me by the horns.
(Amazon + Anthropic does seem like a much more compelling enterprise collaboration / acquisition than Microsoft + OpenAI ever did.)