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Show HN: Saunas lower nighttime heart rate more than exercise (n=59,000) (tryterra.co)
kyriakosel 55 minutes ago [-]
Author here. Methodology upfront because I'd ask the same things:

Data: daily records from wearable users who logged sauna sessions via connected apps. Within-person design — each user is their own control, comparing their own sauna-day nights against their own non-sauna-day nights. No cross-user comparisons.

Stats: paired t-tests, FDR-corrected p < 0.05, Cohen's d > 0.2 threshold for "meaningful effect." Anything below d=0.2 we don't report as a finding.

What we measured: minimum nighttime HR, max and average HR, HRV, activity minutes and distance, menstrual cycle phase (for female subset).

What we found: - On sauna days, minimum nighttime HR drops ~3 bpm (~5%) vs. the same user's non-sauna days. - Effect survives controlling for activity level. It's not "sauna users just exercised more that day." - Strongest hypothesis: elevated parasympathetic tone from the post-sauna cooling phase carries into sleep. Consistent with heat-stress physiology literature. - Sex difference: for women, the nighttime HR effect only crosses the d > 0.2 threshold during the luteal phase. No meaningful effect during the follicular phase. We didn't expect this; worth replicating.

What we can't control for: - Sauna type (dry / infrared / steam), duration, temperature. Not captured. - Dose-response. We don't know session length per user. - Timing of sauna relative to sleep. - Reverse causation: people may sauna on days they already feel recovered. - Selection: wearable users who bother logging sauna are a health-conscious cohort.

What surprised us: the effect is larger than what we see for comparable-intensity exercise days. If you treat nighttime HR as a parasympathetic recovery signal, sauna beats a moderate workout on the same user. Not what I'd have predicted.

bluGill 47 minutes ago [-]
The most important thing you didn't measure: does this affect long term health in the same way exercise it known to. That is can I put a TV in my sauna and watch that for an hour every day instead of getting out and exercising - yet get the same better long term health outcomes?

My current guess is no. That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health. However this is a guess by someone who isn't in the medical field and so could be wrong.

nsbk 36 minutes ago [-]
I recently listened to a podcast about the benefits of sauna or deliberate heat exposure and the gist is that if you get your core temperature at about 39 degrees celsius your cardiovascular system is working comparably hard to light exercise.

My take is that your heart and lungs are working out, even if your body is not. Do you get the same benefits as going for a run or bike ride for a comparable amount of time? no, since your limbs don't get fit, but your heart and lungs do.

mminer237 21 minutes ago [-]
You don't want to "work out" your heart though. Cardiac hypertrophy is a bad thing.

The benefit of exercise is that your muscles become more oxygen-efficient. Your heart endures some stress now, so that it can work less in the future.

adrianN 4 minutes ago [-]
Wikipedia says Athlete's heart is benign: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athletic_heart_syndrome
kiritanpo 4 minutes ago [-]
Cardiac hypertrophy is not necessarily a bad thing, it can be the result of positive adaptation, such as exercising.

Eccentric hypertrophy (athlete's heart) is the positive adaptation resulting from training the heart. The heart has a lower resting rate and is more efficient at pumping blood. It returns to normal size if training stops.

You'll never reach a state of hypertrophic cardiomyopathy (the bad kind of hypertrophy) with exercise. Its cause is usually genetic.

jagged-chisel 1 minutes ago [-]
Your heart is also a muscle.
rhyperior 14 minutes ago [-]
That seems… misguided.

Sources?

ricardobayes 24 minutes ago [-]
My take is probably too nuanced here, but the reality is that we don't know. People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports) or take multivitamins. For all we know, it might even come out that regular, gym-style excercise is even worse for longevity.

Nordic people tend to live a long life even though they historically didn't have access to fresh vegetables or fruit and brutal winters (and darkness) prohibited excercise.

ps. I'm not arguing that excercise is unhealthy, it's just that its contribution to eventual longevity, is currently unknown. Whereas anectodal evidence of saunas (being around longer than "excercise"), seems to work.

RankingMember 12 minutes ago [-]
> I'm not arguing that excercise is unhealthy, it's just that its contribution to eventual longevity, is currently unknown

I see numerous studies indicating that exercise contributes directly to eventual longevity, e.g.:

https://www.ama-assn.org/public-health/prevention-wellness/m...

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/articles/2025/07/02...

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3395188/

somebodythere 5 minutes ago [-]
There is some evidence suggesting that "blue zones" are largely about pension fraud. https://fortune.com/europe/2024/12/14/are-blue-zones-myth-ex...
brushfoot 6 minutes ago [-]
> People living in areas with longevity (blue zones), didn't really excercise (as in sports)

Not exercising as in sports and not exercising, period, are very different. If you look at the American blue zone, those people are certainly exercising; daily nature walks are baked into their theology.

bwestergard 8 minutes ago [-]
The "blue-zone" studies are flawed, so we shouldn't infer too much from lifestyle generalizations about people in them.

https://www.science.org/content/article/do-blue-zones-suppos...

bluGill 11 minutes ago [-]
Problem is sauna use and genetic factors corrolate too strongly to make any conclusion to the broader population. If you live in/near Finland you likely sauna often, as have all your ancestors for thousands of years. If you don't live there both are false. Thus we can't know if Sauna is helpful for the general population who isn't of a Finish background.
shevy-java 2 minutes ago [-]
Japan has a +4 years lead of life expectancy over Finland; Norway almost +3 years on Finland. I am not saying this is conclusive per se, but to me the sauna-people-live-forever is not backed up by the data. I would instead reason that, e. g. weight correlates a lot more here.
kyriakosel 40 minutes ago [-]
Agreed - one is muscular/metabolic demand, the other (sauna) is thermoregulation.

Agreed on the long-term effect too: doing a study on long term health is a completely different story

nyjah 17 minutes ago [-]
Zero shot you'd make it an hour in a proper sauna for an hour. People have this idea that saunas are always enjoyable. I sauna daily, and its nice up to a point. For me thats like 10-12mins in. From then on, its tough.
iammjm 1 minutes ago [-]
I go for 15 min sessions at 90 Celsius and the first 10 mins are ok, the last 5 are tough, like I have to control my breath to hang in there
HelloMcFly 31 minutes ago [-]
> That is this improves a marker for good health without improving health

There is a substantial body of existing research to peruse about the impact of regular sauna use on health outcomes, much of it from Finland given the prevalence of sauna usage there allowing for larger sample sizes. It's a body of evidence rather than one knock-out experimental design.

z3t4 14 minutes ago [-]
I think that if you have one hour or more of free time and live in an area where you have easy access to a sauna, that would result in significant better health on it's own. Even if you choose to not use the sauna.
lfuller 27 minutes ago [-]
This feels like a false dichotomy. Even if sauna doesn't impact long term health in a way that can replace exercise, that doesn't mean that it doesn't improve health.
sonink 23 minutes ago [-]
I looked into Saunas in detail sometime back as a replacement/complement to exercise. There is a lot of research out there which says Saunas are as beneficial - but at the end of it I reached a similar conclusion - exercise is just better understood, so no point experimenting when something can go wrong.
Jtarii 25 minutes ago [-]
A sauna will do nothing for muscular-skeletal health.
derektank 14 minutes ago [-]
That seems like a very strong statement. Isn’t there evidence that Heat Shock Proteins are produced in response to time in the sauna, which have beneficial effects on muscle growth and repair?
testing22321 40 minutes ago [-]
I don’t think the TV in the sauna will have long term health outcomes.
Filligree 22 minutes ago [-]
It will certainly affect the health of the TV.
lccerina 21 minutes ago [-]
If this was a peer-reviewed paper, it won't pass.

- Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke? - Why did you use the minimum heart rate value (which could be a measurement glitch) and did not compare a percentile (e.g., 2.5th lowest percentile)? - Were all assumptions for paired t-testing valid? How did you account for likely temporal correlations in the data (e.g., sauna could have an effect also on a night 2 days after it, same for exercise)? - How can you define a "comparable-intensity exercise day" if you don't know the characteristics of the sauna?

joelthelion 14 minutes ago [-]
> Is the wearable accurate enough to be sure that 3bpm is not a measurement fluke

If the statistical tests show significance (and are valid), the answer to this question is yes. If you have enough data you can make strong conclusions even witwith imperfect hardware.

ranguna 5 minutes ago [-]
Strong conclusion that the hardware is precisely imperfect?
gjulianm 8 minutes ago [-]
Unless the effect they're measuring is that the wearable measures differently in sauna days.
jtanderson 15 minutes ago [-]
Just as a discussion point: how do you think these effects would translate (if at all) to regularly practicing hot yoga, say around 100-105F? Intuitively, it would combine the effort + recovery, but probably not enough time elapsed in the same session for the sweat benefit during muscle repair?
croemer 47 minutes ago [-]
Why didn't you put the methodology in the post? Also, which devices were used to record? How do you know people went to sauna?
gamerslexus 43 minutes ago [-]
It would be very interesting if lowering night heart rate only happens with certain sauna type.

> What we can't control for: - Sauna type (dry / infrared / steam), duration, temperature. Not captured

Could probably capture humidity/duration/temperature using a sensor in wearable device...

kyriakosel 39 minutes ago [-]
we agree - but thats not that simple :)
methyl 24 minutes ago [-]
> who logged sauna sessions via connected apps

It seems you ask participants to log if they went to sauna. Out of curiosity, why is it not simple to also ask for a type?

kyriakosel 6 minutes ago [-]
i was mostly refering to humidity/duration/temperature given that most devices do not report back these values
itsthecourier 49 minutes ago [-]
how does this reduction in heartbeat at night affect the body?
sva_ 39 minutes ago [-]
> Motivated to understand the immediate physiological response to saunas, we looked at the same-day effects across ~59,000 daily records from 256 users.

Editorialized title is wrong. n=256

kyriakosel 29 minutes ago [-]
Fair flag: 256 users, 59k days
SCdF 8 minutes ago [-]
Not to be glib, but being dead lowers your night time heart rate more then exercise as well.

Is having a lower night time heart rate the core goal of exercise? Is it even a goal at all? Or is it just an indicator of other goals being reached? I'm genuinely curious, I wasn't aware that the number mattered, more than what that number actually represents.

Aurornis 37 minutes ago [-]
n= traditionally refers to the number of participants, not the number of data points.

The headline claim is very misleading for anyone who thought there were 59,000 people in this data set.

The absolute difference is also small. Small enough that the effect might be attributable to something secondary, such as sauna users consuming more water in recovery and being more hydrated. Heart rate has a relationship with hydration status.

strangescript 11 minutes ago [-]
Anecdotal, of course, but the biggest change I ever made in my life was right before bed: take a screaming hot shower with dim lighting. I'd say 95% of the time, I get in bed and just pass out and have no real memory of time passing before falling asleep.
gcanyon 22 minutes ago [-]
N=1, but I started rowing (indoor, on an erg) an hour a day -- not hard, generally 120-140 bpm -- every day starting February 28, after rowing inconsistently for a year or more before that. My resting (not sleep) pulse has dropped by 10% over the past ~7 weeks, from 60 to 54.
shevy-java 4 minutes ago [-]
Well ...

Finland life expectancy for 2023 was 81.69.

Norway life expectancy for 2025 was 83.23.

Japan life expectancy for 2025 was 85.27.

Sumo wrestlers in Japan have a life expectancy between 60-65 years or so - significantly lower than the other japanese.

I am not saying that sauna has no positive effect at all, but I would reason that the number one risk factor is ... weight. And I'd also still say that exercise is correlated here, if only secondary, e. g. you may be able to maintain better bodily functions if you exercise, if you can avoid injury. I do not think that going into the sauna rather than e. g. light running for 5 to 10 minutes or so, is anywhere near on the same level.

amazingamazing 33 minutes ago [-]
N=256
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iwontberude 27 minutes ago [-]
Website doesn’t load, it times out. Anyone have tl;dr?
kyriakosel 15 minutes ago [-]
it works for me - what browser are you using?
stevekemp 47 minutes ago [-]
The fine article says:

"Saunas are a hot, dry environment used to stimulate our cardiovascular system."

That does not sound like a sauna to me. A sauna involves something heating up rocks, and then water being poured upon those rocks - which of course immediately becomes steam.

All of which means that a sauna is humid, and not at all dry. That's why, here in Finland, saunas are considered wet-spaces. Complete with floor drain - though i grant you that is also used for scrubbing them down and cleanup now and again.

Some people have boxes with infra-red heaters, and they pretend they are saunas, but they absolutely are not. They're a different thing, though I don't know what the point of them is.

Downvotes have spoken though.

amiga386 40 minutes ago [-]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna#Modern_saunas

> In a typical Finnish sauna, the temperature of the air, the room, and the benches are above the dew point even when water is thrown on the hot stones and vaporized. Thus, they remain dry. In contrast, the sauna bathers are at about 60–80 °C (140–176 °F), which is below the dew point, so that water is condensed on the bathers' skin. This process releases heat and makes the steam feel hot.

danlitt 31 minutes ago [-]
This just means the surfaces are dry. The commenter said the air is not dry.
barbazoo 42 minutes ago [-]
Sounds like it doesn't have to be wet to be a sauna.

> A sauna is a room or building designed as a place to experience dry or wet heat sessions or an establishment with one or more of these facilities.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauna

KeplerBoy 43 minutes ago [-]
There are different kinds of saunas. Nobody gets into a 90c humid sauna, that would just kill you.
preya2k 40 minutes ago [-]
Oh I can assure you, millions people in the northern europe do exactly this ;)

EDIT: I guess it depends on your definition of "humid". But 90C and regular water infusions are pretty common sauna conditions.

victorbjorklund 26 minutes ago [-]
Haha no, I been in 90c saunas many times. Can I stay there for a long time? Heck no. But some people can and it doesn’t kill you (maybe if you have some preexisting condition)
KeplerBoy 24 minutes ago [-]
the point is the humidity. hot saunas need to be relatively dry otherwise your sweat won't evaporate.
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hilariously 39 minutes ago [-]
I guess I am a revenant - I get into one regularly in my basement.
LeCompteSftware 36 minutes ago [-]
No, it seems saunas have very low relative humidity except for briefly after you splash the hot rocks. "Relative" is the key term there: the absolute humidity is high, but the hot air can accept much more H20 and it will suck moisture off your body. So it is a dry environment according to humans.

According to this company plus some sketchy math I just did, the relative humidity can swing from 15%-40%: all over the place, but generally pretty dry. https://www.vaisala.com/en/blog/2024-12/can-you-handle-heat-...

quickthrowman 11 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, I’ve taken hundreds of (Finnish) saunas (both electric and woodfired) and they all have one thing in common: they’re dry. It’s a bit more humid when you throw water on the rocks, but it generally stays between 10-40% RH. This is a good thing, as 90% RH at 90C would be uncomfortable to say the least.
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ckrapu 45 minutes ago [-]
I can tell you wrote the article with ChatGPT. I’m out as soon as I pick up the smell. I don’t dislike the usage of AI, I just don’t trust. It if you haven’t written it yourself.
flippyhead 36 minutes ago [-]
I feel like we need an acronym for this kind of comment. I am pretty sure approximately 100% of HN posts now include at least one comment where someone, somehow, knows that an article is written by AI and resents it.

For Claude we have the ever present "you are absolutely right" and this is like it's human mirror.

Something like TLDR; but meaning "uhg, written by AI".

thundergolfer 31 minutes ago [-]
This article is a brilliant skewering of the 'em dash means LLM' heuristic as a broken trick deployed by those too-clever-by-half.

1. https://www.scottsmitelli.com/articles/em-dash-tool/

flippyhead 7 minutes ago [-]
Thank you for this. This is like finding a book where someone has written down what I've been thinking, but better than I ever could.
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