Nothing is pissing me off more than GitHub's stability going down the tubes RIGHT as work is migrating everything, and I mean everything, from CircleCI to GH.
The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this.
Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't inspiring confidence.
biglyburrito 6 minutes ago [-]
I'm on the other side of the fence. We're just about done migrating from GitHub to GitLab (self-hosted) and it's been refreshing to DGAF about any of the GH outages I read about.
gonzo41 25 minutes ago [-]
Mee too. We just did a very similar migration at work it's incredibly frustrating, I've got all my CI ported over and now this.
MSFT should just create slophub.com they'd make money im sure.
Mashimo 8 minutes ago [-]
Honest question, why are companies interested in hosting on github?
As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.
ellisv 1 minutes ago [-]
Most developers have experience using GitHub. The UI and concepts are familiar. The friction for adopting features like Actions is relatively low.
sdevonoes 16 minutes ago [-]
Why do you care about github? It’s Just another corporation doing what they know best: harvesting money. The software ecosystem can live without github just fine
With Ghostty being the latest project to leave GitHub, it does make me wonder who will leave next.
I don't expect everybody and their nan to leave GitHub by next wednesday and spin up their own Forgejo server, but I do think GitHub should be worried that people are finally looking to move away from them.
napolux 32 minutes ago [-]
do we have already an HN user creating "who-left-gh.net"? (domain is free)
deadbabe 2 minutes ago [-]
I feel like I’m out of the loop, or maybe I’m just not a super GitHub power user, but GitHub does pretty much what I expect and I haven’t had issues with it. All my git commands for GitHub just work and PRs and code reviews are the same as it’s always been.
Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?
erelong 5 minutes ago [-]
so where should people move to instead
flossly 45 minutes ago [-]
Is it me, or did get issues get a lot worse with the transfer to MSFT?
sumtechguy 1 minutes ago [-]
That can happen many times during a buyout. Some company buys a thing. The problem then is ownership of the thing. Who in the new company is going to own the 'make sure it stays good' problem. Sometimes with a buy out the people who were doing that may even stay at the company. But it is a matter of motivation. MS has a real serious problem. You can see the gaps where they have glued together at least 10 companies together and called it microsoft. They have a huge reputational risk issue. Where something breaking in the xbox div can have a negative impact on the tools division. Also the other way around. They lack focus on many items. They have needed a 'service pack 2' stop the presses moment and fix this mount everest of tech debt.
Tade0 5 minutes ago [-]
Even after decades, the policy is the same:
Embrace, extend, and extinguish.
sebastiansm7 44 minutes ago [-]
I think is more related to vibe coding
2ndorderthought 21 minutes ago [-]
Agreed. In general the amount and variety of bugs introduced since everyone started vibing is worrying. It is probably a national security concern but I guess so is the economy tanking due to failed AI investments. Guess we will see
DanielHB 17 minutes ago [-]
Definitely not, I remember some 4 years ago some random bug in a github-supported github-action and a comment in an issue saying: "I heard the team responsible for this action was laid off, don't expect a fix". This was shortly after the microsoft acquisition.
But the vibe coding BS probably made it 10 times worse.
embedding-shape 12 minutes ago [-]
> But the vibe coding BS probably made it 10 times worse.
Yup, keep seeing this in various companies. Teams that were effective and did solid engineering now are more effective and does even better engineering. Teams that were effectively already just "boilerplate monkies" now produce a lot more code than before, but the quality is the same so effectively they're worse at contributing now than before, and take more shortcuts, not less.
From my point of view, agents are amplifiers, so if you usually build spaghetti projects, agents just help you do that faster, not avoid the spaghetti altogether. If you usually build well-designed stuff, they can help you put that together faster.
hkt 44 minutes ago [-]
It is absolutely not just you
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 40 minutes ago [-]
Is it just me, or [thing that has been repeated a billion times every day on this and every other website]
zthrowaway 25 minutes ago [-]
It certainly seems like low effort engagement farming.
redwood 11 minutes ago [-]
Let's be honest there's an order of magnitude or more higher throughput volume of PR jitter and new repo bloat which makes this look like a viral digital native at scale.. couple that with being owned by one of the most scale immature companies on the planet ... of course it's a problem.
Get these folks off Azure and Cosmos DB (or whatever MSFT forces them to use) to something real and maybe you'd have a shot
bwb 21 minutes ago [-]
Is Gitlab doing better at this point? Or where do they stand?
thiago_fm 37 minutes ago [-]
It isn't surprising at all, Microsoft is doing a PE firm playbook with what they buy. You don't need to look much far, let's think about its biggest acquisition to date, Blizzard.
Blizzcon canceled. All of its IP barely got any love.
See what players think about the latest World of Warcraft patch. It's absolutely shit and broken. People say they fired the entire QA department since a few years back and since then the quality has just gone down.
They buy those businesses because they have nothing to do with that free cash flow, and for accounting reasons it makes sense to have them.
They didn't buy those businesses to develop it further and make it worth more.
Github will just become ever more irrelevant.
The key issue is that the US governments let those huge monopolies exist, and then use their money to buy other businesses and enshiftify them.
Unless that changes in the US, this will continue happening.
miningape 2 minutes ago [-]
> See what players think about the latest World of Warcraft patch. It's absolutely shit and broken
Crazy to me that the loot tables are still broken for some players/characters, they've tried to fix it several times now, and it's still not working - Since (some) endgame gear can only be obtained this way they've effectively soft locked those players/character out of the endgame.
Context: Some players are always receiving the same drops i.e. a belt. Rather than a varied loot table that gives them a chance to get items they need.
surgical_fire 7 minutes ago [-]
The thing is that they didn't buy Blizzard, they bought Activision. They were interested in CoD numbers.
I think Diablo Immortal was likely the biggest success Blizz provided there
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The wildest thing is that Azure Repos/Pipelines was better than this.
Their one caveat is also that they are still migrating it to Azure infra, so it's possible that's still in a one foot in one foot out kinda scenario, from what I've heard. But, this isn't inspiring confidence.
MSFT should just create slophub.com they'd make money im sure.
As a private person I use it too as a free hoster, but from work I mainly know self hosted instances of jenkins and TeamCity.
I don't expect everybody and their nan to leave GitHub by next wednesday and spin up their own Forgejo server, but I do think GitHub should be worried that people are finally looking to move away from them.
Can someone explain what exactly is so bad now that leaving it entirely to use some new platform, even spinning up your own servers, is a reasonable alternative?
Embrace, extend, and extinguish.
But the vibe coding BS probably made it 10 times worse.
Yup, keep seeing this in various companies. Teams that were effective and did solid engineering now are more effective and does even better engineering. Teams that were effectively already just "boilerplate monkies" now produce a lot more code than before, but the quality is the same so effectively they're worse at contributing now than before, and take more shortcuts, not less.
From my point of view, agents are amplifiers, so if you usually build spaghetti projects, agents just help you do that faster, not avoid the spaghetti altogether. If you usually build well-designed stuff, they can help you put that together faster.
Get these folks off Azure and Cosmos DB (or whatever MSFT forces them to use) to something real and maybe you'd have a shot
Blizzcon canceled. All of its IP barely got any love.
See what players think about the latest World of Warcraft patch. It's absolutely shit and broken. People say they fired the entire QA department since a few years back and since then the quality has just gone down.
They buy those businesses because they have nothing to do with that free cash flow, and for accounting reasons it makes sense to have them.
They didn't buy those businesses to develop it further and make it worth more.
Github will just become ever more irrelevant.
The key issue is that the US governments let those huge monopolies exist, and then use their money to buy other businesses and enshiftify them.
Unless that changes in the US, this will continue happening.
Crazy to me that the loot tables are still broken for some players/characters, they've tried to fix it several times now, and it's still not working - Since (some) endgame gear can only be obtained this way they've effectively soft locked those players/character out of the endgame.
Context: Some players are always receiving the same drops i.e. a belt. Rather than a varied loot table that gives them a chance to get items they need.
I think Diablo Immortal was likely the biggest success Blizz provided there