Excessive groundwater extraction and urban development could be reasons for this. But these are common practice in almost all of the modern world, so why is this only showing up in Mexico City.
There must be other contributing factors too.
peanutz454 1 minutes ago [-]
Mexico city was built on top a dried lake. It is really fascinating stuff, I would highly recommend to look it up. Ancient farming technology, floating islands, any nerd is gonna love it.
hn_throwaway_99 10 hours ago [-]
So, perhaps a dumb question, but the article mentions that 14 steps have been added to the base of the Angel of Independence monument, and the Wikipedia article mentions the same things:
> Originally, nine steps led to the base, but due to the sinking of the ground, an ongoing problem in Mexico City, fourteen more steps have been added.
So why didn't the monument itself also sink? Does it have piles going down to bedrock or something?
resist_futility 9 hours ago [-]
thousands of wooden piles to create a foundation with the first one even failing and the foundation being reconstructed
Also from wikipedia: ... "The commission determined that the foundations of the monument were poorly planned, so it was decided to demolish the structure."
So yes, it has an engineered foundation, a double-engineered foundation. The roads around it almost certainly do not. So it is plausible that the monument is not sinking as quickly.
wartywhoa23 10 hours ago [-]
Angels don't sink, they rise! :)
AntiUSAbah 10 hours ago [-]
Depending of what stories you want to reference with this: Lucifer, Belial, Beelzebub all did not 'rise'.
doodlebugging 2 hours ago [-]
Probably depends on your frame of reference. Since we don't know where they started or where they are today it seems plausible that, relative to our own positions they may indeed have appeared to rise even though the text references state that they descended. We have no idea whether we might go up to heaven and down to hell or just across to them. We do know that everything in our universe is in motion and has been for a long time so it could be true that today we have to rise to get to both places if in fact either of them exist at all.
wartywhoa23 9 hours ago [-]
Surely The Angel Of Independence must ascend, no? :)
sundarurfriend 8 hours ago [-]
I don't know the actual Christian theology, but at least in modern popular interpretations, Lucifer is the Angel of Independence, so that would suggest no!
doodlebugging 3 hours ago [-]
I wouldn't trust that graphic at the top of the article to be very accurate. It has an obvious acquisition footprint that was not resolved in processing. Those WNW-ESE stripes should've been resolved before publishing by ground-truthing the stripes using benchmarks established inside the mapped area so that the end result wouldn't suggest higher/lower subsidence along tracks than seen on parallel offset from tracks. That's just sloppy.
The striping can have multiple sources so they need to study why there is an obvious footprint and then make the appropriate corrections.
KnuthIsGod 2 hours ago [-]
"Objective:
NISAR is the first of its kind mission, jointly developed by ISRO and NASA. It is an L and S-band, global, microwave imaging mission, with capability to acquire fully polarimetric and interferometric data.
The unique dual-band Synthetic Aperture Radar of NISAR employs advanced, novel SweepSAR technique, which provides high resolution and large swath imagery. NISAR will image the global land and ice-covered surfaces, including islands, sea-ice and selected oceans every 12 days.
NISAR mission’s primary objectives are to study land & ice deformation, land ecosystems, and oceanic regions in areas of common interest to the US and Indian science communities.
NISAR mission will help to
measure the woody biomass and its changes
track changes in the extent of active crops
understand the changes in wetlands’ extent
map Greenland’s & Antarctica’s ice sheets, dynamics of sea ice and mountain glaciers
characterize land surface deformation related to seismicity, volcanism, landslides, and subsidence & uplift associated with changes in subsurface aquifers, hydrocarbon reservoirs, etc.
Spacecraft Configuration
The Spacecraft is built around ISRO’s I-3K Structure. It carries two major Payloads viz., L & S- Band Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR).
The S-band Radar system, data handling & high- speed downlink system, the spacecraft and the launch system are developed by ISRO. The L-band Radar system, high speed downlink system, the Solid-State Recorder, GPS receiver, the 9m Boom hoisting the 12m reflector are delivered by NASA.
Further, ISRO takes care of the satellite commanding and operations, NASA will provide the orbit maneuver plan and RADAR operations plan.
NISAR mission will be aided with ground station support of both ISRO and NASA for downloading of the acquired images, which after the necessary processing will be disseminated to the user community
The data acquired through S-band and L-band SAR from a single platform will help the scientists to understand the changes happening to Planet Earth."
Note in particular the last one, which is a classic. Roads, buildings, and all underground infrastructure is affected. As well as anyone else who uses that groundwater, as well as future users - because come groundwater reservoirs do not recover, the compaction is permanent.
aaron695 36 minutes ago [-]
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nadermx 9 hours ago [-]
They are clearly not doing enough to remedy this; The only real solucion is to stop pumping the ground water, like I believe Japan did.
Schiendelman 8 hours ago [-]
Miami has a similar issue, doesn't it?
firesteelrain 4 hours ago [-]
Due to construction not ground water problem. Mostly building load and construction induced.
manquer 8 hours ago [-]
so does Jakarta and few other cities in the world.
alephnerd 5 hours ago [-]
> What are the practical consequences of this today
Infrastructure degradation. Think overpass collapses or metro rail lines being misaligned.
> what is being done to remedy this
Not enough. CDMX faces the issue of multiple political entities with varying power making management difficult.
A lot of the subsidence happens in informal settlements [0] due to a mixture of political populism (no one would dare demolish an informal settlement and piss off voters).
Beijing used to have a similar issue, but a mixture of hukou, mass evictions, and mass demolitions helped alleviate the issue.
For the uninitiated, ISRO -> Indian Space Research Organization
spacewhales 2 hours ago [-]
The way that this article is written reads like American propaganda. This is already being done, and has been done for a long time, including at the same or better temporal and spatial resolution. NISAR is genuinely cool, do I don't know why they felt the need to write this way. The new capabilities are mainly being able to do this in highly vegetated areas. In urban areas, like mexico city, this is literally 'intro to SAR' stuff.
Aurornis 1 hours ago [-]
Do you have any sources or even hints of sources that I could search for to back up the claim that this has been done for a long time?
Cloudflare: verification rejected. Accessing from Japan.
Thank you very much, Cloudlare.
adrr 2 hours ago [-]
Rejected in the US with a google fiber IP.
SingAlong 4 hours ago [-]
Same in Vietnam.
Just refresh the page. It’ll get you through.
hactually 5 hours ago [-]
same in Australia
faangguyindia 4 hours ago [-]
same in india
prplxd_nihilist 34 minutes ago [-]
From India, verification passed through
doctaj 2 hours ago [-]
Same in United States. Sigh.
ani_k47 8 hours ago [-]
I really can't believe that an issue discovered in 1925 still isn't solved. A kind of issue which wont take a Nobel prize to be solved. This is sad.
chrisco255 8 hours ago [-]
What solution? The earth is constantly moving and churning. The article states the city is built on an aquifer.
trillic 8 hours ago [-]
Mexico City was built on top of a lake that was dried to facilitate the expansion of the city.
1270018080 7 hours ago [-]
> What solution
The nobel prize winner hopefully figures that out
BurningFrog 7 hours ago [-]
Many, many problems have good practical solutions that are politically impossible to implement.
energy123 3 hours ago [-]
All due to some kind of game-theoretic "dilemma", like a coordination problem, collective action problem, prisoner's dilemma, principal-agent problem, tragedy of the commons.
pen1slicker 6 hours ago [-]
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anigbrowl 11 hours ago [-]
I get that the article is primarily about the satellite capabilities, but it's rather annoying it doesn't mention what the future impact of the subsidence might be.
greggsy 10 hours ago [-]
I think that it’s quite responsible not to speculate on something they’re not an expert on.
It’s exactly the sort of news bite that catastrophists glom onto.
This is responsible journalism.
PunchyHamster 9 hours ago [-]
> I think that it’s quite responsible not to speculate on something they’re not an expert on.
"Recent satellite maps show Mexico City getting closer to hell at alarming rate"
anigbrowl 9 hours ago [-]
They could just call a geologist and ask, or cite some published works on the topic. It's not responsible, it's lazy.
icegreentea2 9 hours ago [-]
This is a phys.org "article". They're usually just rehashed press releases, and this one is particularly bad - it's literally just the NASA press release with the last 2 paragraphs chopped off. https://www.nasa.gov/missions/nisar/us-indian-space-mission-...
AntiUSAbah 10 hours ago [-]
It breaks water lines which increases the water problem even faster. On one side because its expensive to fix and on the other side because small leaks lead to massive water losses you don't find fast or easy.
There are also abandoned mines under parts of the city which also contributes to hazardous conditions.
barney54 10 hours ago [-]
Nor does it say how much subsidence the satellite documented.
barbazoo 10 hours ago [-]
There's this under the picture.
> New data from NISAR shows where Mexico City and its environs subsided by up to a few centimeters per month (shown in blue) between Oct. 25, 2025, and Jan. 17, 2026
dhosek 7 hours ago [-]
The labels on the map were also confusing, and at first because of the relative positioning of the texts identifying the airport and the angel I thought up was East and not North, although a closer inspection made things clearer (and yes, up is North).
In parts of Central Valley CA, there's been over 30 ft / 9m of subsidence from ground water extraction over several decades. (30 cm/y) Lone pipes and drains that previously sat at ground level tower over the land.
fleroviumna 10 hours ago [-]
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petcat 8 hours ago [-]
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radicaldreamer 8 hours ago [-]
Have you visited Mexico City? Your view of Mexico is likely colored by media (particularly social media) and the on-the-ground reality can be quite different.
While it’s not the best run place, it is perfectly capable of large scale infra projects and state capacity and capability is pretty well developed.
petcat 8 hours ago [-]
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jeromegv 7 hours ago [-]
Majority of migrants are actually not “from” Mexico.
It’s just a bad argument.
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Crispness6482 7 hours ago [-]
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jliendo 7 hours ago [-]
Tu entendimiento está tan equivocado que no veo ni siquiera por dónde comenzar a debatirlo, quizás si primero sacas tu cabeza de tu trasero y empiezas a conocer el mundo sería un primer buen paso.
manquer 8 hours ago [-]
Couldn't you say that about pretty much any government and people?
CPLX 7 hours ago [-]
The wealthy parts of Mexican cities are substantially more well-managed and upscale than the poor parts of American cities.
Of course, on average Mexico is poorer, has a lower GDP per capita, and so on. But the level of ignorance among Americans is astonishing sometimes.
llbbdd 7 hours ago [-]
Yeah that's "the government and people part", it's talking about the average. Of course the rich enclaves in Mexico are doing better than the average, you can find that in many places on the planet that are on average terrible places to live. But taking that into account makes it harder to crow about the ignorance of Americans, as it's so historically fun to do.
CPLX 6 hours ago [-]
Yeah but the guy said Mexicans are incapable of fixing “anything” in their country. Which makes is clear he has no actual connection to what it’s like to be in Mexico.
As someone who has actually done that, and speaks Spanish, and has spent considerable time in over a dozen Latin American countries my impression of Mexico is that it’s one of the wealthier and more advanced countries in the hemisphere and often feels like a borderline first world country on par with Southern European countries like say Greece.
Rendered at 06:36:17 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
- frequent revisit, so can track even sub-monthly changes
- the L-band radar is at a wavelength (24cm) that penetrates vegetation canopy, removing a confounder from the measurement
- excellent spatial resolution that is relevant to urban scenes
The data volume is exceptionally high and required a lot of engineering effort. All radars are demanding, but this one was a new high-water mark.
(https://www.earthdata.nasa.gov/news/now-that-nisar-launched-...)
Pun fully intended, I'm sure.
There must be other contributing factors too.
> Originally, nine steps led to the base, but due to the sinking of the ground, an ongoing problem in Mexico City, fourteen more steps have been added.
So why didn't the monument itself also sink? Does it have piles going down to bedrock or something?
http://www.mexicomaxico.org/ParisMex/resumen.htm
So yes, it has an engineered foundation, a double-engineered foundation. The roads around it almost certainly do not. So it is plausible that the monument is not sinking as quickly.
The striping can have multiple sources so they need to study why there is an obvious footprint and then make the appropriate corrections.
NISAR is the first of its kind mission, jointly developed by ISRO and NASA. It is an L and S-band, global, microwave imaging mission, with capability to acquire fully polarimetric and interferometric data.
The unique dual-band Synthetic Aperture Radar of NISAR employs advanced, novel SweepSAR technique, which provides high resolution and large swath imagery. NISAR will image the global land and ice-covered surfaces, including islands, sea-ice and selected oceans every 12 days.
NISAR mission’s primary objectives are to study land & ice deformation, land ecosystems, and oceanic regions in areas of common interest to the US and Indian science communities.
NISAR mission will help to measure the woody biomass and its changes track changes in the extent of active crops understand the changes in wetlands’ extent map Greenland’s & Antarctica’s ice sheets, dynamics of sea ice and mountain glaciers characterize land surface deformation related to seismicity, volcanism, landslides, and subsidence & uplift associated with changes in subsurface aquifers, hydrocarbon reservoirs, etc.
Spacecraft Configuration
The Spacecraft is built around ISRO’s I-3K Structure. It carries two major Payloads viz., L & S- Band Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR).
The S-band Radar system, data handling & high- speed downlink system, the spacecraft and the launch system are developed by ISRO. The L-band Radar system, high speed downlink system, the Solid-State Recorder, GPS receiver, the 9m Boom hoisting the 12m reflector are delivered by NASA.
Further, ISRO takes care of the satellite commanding and operations, NASA will provide the orbit maneuver plan and RADAR operations plan.
NISAR mission will be aided with ground station support of both ISRO and NASA for downloading of the acquired images, which after the necessary processing will be disseminated to the user community
The data acquired through S-band and L-band SAR from a single platform will help the scientists to understand the changes happening to Planet Earth."
https://www.isro.gov.in/Mission_GSLVF16_NISAR_Home.html
What are the practical consequences of this today, and what is being done to remedy this?
Note in particular the last one, which is a classic. Roads, buildings, and all underground infrastructure is affected. As well as anyone else who uses that groundwater, as well as future users - because come groundwater reservoirs do not recover, the compaction is permanent.
Infrastructure degradation. Think overpass collapses or metro rail lines being misaligned.
> what is being done to remedy this
Not enough. CDMX faces the issue of multiple political entities with varying power making management difficult.
A lot of the subsidence happens in informal settlements [0] due to a mixture of political populism (no one would dare demolish an informal settlement and piss off voters).
Beijing used to have a similar issue, but a mixture of hukou, mass evictions, and mass demolitions helped alleviate the issue.
[0] - https://penniur.upenn.edu/uploads/media/02_Gutierrez.pdf
Search for 'land subsidence insar mexico'
Thank you very much, Cloudlare.
The nobel prize winner hopefully figures that out
It’s exactly the sort of news bite that catastrophists glom onto.
This is responsible journalism.
"Recent satellite maps show Mexico City getting closer to hell at alarming rate"
> New data from NISAR shows where Mexico City and its environs subsided by up to a few centimeters per month (shown in blue) between Oct. 25, 2025, and Jan. 17, 2026
Real shame this re-report made the SCP
While it’s not the best run place, it is perfectly capable of large scale infra projects and state capacity and capability is pretty well developed.
Of course, on average Mexico is poorer, has a lower GDP per capita, and so on. But the level of ignorance among Americans is astonishing sometimes.
As someone who has actually done that, and speaks Spanish, and has spent considerable time in over a dozen Latin American countries my impression of Mexico is that it’s one of the wealthier and more advanced countries in the hemisphere and often feels like a borderline first world country on par with Southern European countries like say Greece.