If you want to use no-Javascript browser as well, this browser prototype [0] is getting pretty good too. It's developed by Dioxus, a GUI framework in Rust, as part of its native renderer which seeks to create their own alternative to Skia, similar to Flutter, but it'll work on the web as well with HTML and CSS standards unlike Flutter web which is just a canvas.
It's also a from scratch implementation, sort of, using existing Rust crates like stylo (which servo also uses) and taffy, but it doesn't rely on any code from existing browsers such as Chromium, Gecko or WebKit.
This post reminded me of gaming emulator updates that I also love to read. "Fixed X bug to make Y behave correctly, which means game Z works now." (One of the things they fixed was CSS Doom, so I guess there is some legitimate overlap to gaming at any rate.)
adamrt 4 hours ago [-]
Good call! I’ve heard Andreas say multiple times building a browser is like building an emulator. Each website uses different features in different ways, and he likens websites to roms.
NBPEL 3 hours ago [-]
The hardest part for browser development has always been "artificial" web compatibility, as you know a lot of websites are forcefully blocking specific browser from loading, only allow Chromium to load their websites, that is the reality check for Ladybird, and seriously what stopping new web browsers from being able to compete, same with DRM Widevine, it's REALLY hard to acquire (unobtainiumware) for new browser, even big browser like Zen Browser with 10M users failed to acquire it
LeFantome 2 minutes ago [-]
Quite recently, Ladybird started reporting itself as Chrome for exactly this reason.
JoRyGu 2 hours ago [-]
How common is this that they would even care about it anyways? I've run Firefox exclusively for the last 2 decades and have never once run into a site that told me I needed to switch to Chromium for compatibility.
MarsIronPI 1 hours ago [-]
And honestly, I've only ever once encountered a website that required Widevine. And that site was a media site. So if you don't watch DRMed movies in your browser then you don't need Widevine in my experience.
TheCoreh 56 minutes ago [-]
To get to the point where these artificial gates substantially matter for interop, you've already cleared 99% of the hurdles, and you can get away with just spoofing the User Agent string most of the time.
Widevine is legitimately a “gate”, but realistically it only stops 4K playback on Netflix, Disney and a few other streaming sites. And it's not super relevant considering that Zen has gathered 10M users without it.
Onavo 2 hours ago [-]
They can mock the User Agent for the purposes of compatibility testing. When you control the browser itself, nothing's impossible. (aside from DRM specific issues)
ekianjo 44 minutes ago [-]
> DRM Widevine,
we have to thank tim berners lee for allowing this kind of bs in the first place
cpach 1 minutes ago [-]
?
geophph 7 hours ago [-]
> strava.com : Login works now that Navigator.getBattery throws the spec-mandated error type instead of one of our own (#8770).
what’s Strava want with my battery level?
yurishimo 7 hours ago [-]
Maybe it uses some that battery API as a heuristic for a lower-power version of the site? Or maybe they have a web-only version in developing markets? Low battery means it should query for your location less often to save battery?
Totally spitballing here. Strava being a website that requests battery does not seem wildly outlandish to me, albeit it is a bit suspicious in general.
einpoklum 7 hours ago [-]
> it uses some that battery API as a heuristic for a lower-power version of the site?
As a naive user I would expect websites to not be able to receive information about my battery state. With that information they can track my mobile phone usage pattern, and with some cross-referencing gain even more specific private information.
lukan 6 hours ago [-]
I think it is great that the API exists, but it is not great, that no permission from the user is needed to access it.
geophph 6 hours ago [-]
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NBPEL 3 hours ago [-]
Most likely for generating unique fingerprint for tracking
charcircuit 6 hours ago [-]
Bots trying to brute force accounts may not have the API implemented like a real device may.
fooqux 3 hours ago [-]
Sure, and my desktop computer just reports 100% battery level? Which can't be easily replicated by a static header in the bot?
This would be a silly thing to use to identify bots.
charcircuit 3 hours ago [-]
It's not silly if it works.
sikozu 3 hours ago [-]
Ladybird is coming along so well. I am a long-term Firefox user and I'll definitely be an early adopter of Ladybird when it enters very early alpha and precompiled builds start being released.
To whoever had the evangelion r/unixporn as a way to test out ladybird reddit. I respect you so much as I really liked reading about evangelion (I haven't watched it as much BUT I have watched countless documentaries explaining it and had evangelion as my wallpaper for sometime)
Now coming to the point, the fact that reddit is working in ladybird sounds crazy good, I am not sure if youtube is working or not but I hope that youtube works too and Ladybird sounds to really work.
Also, thanks to https://jakubsteplow.ski/ for donating the money to ladybird. I mean I would like to actively promote people who donate to open source projects as a better way than what google ads or others too and jakub I wish you nothing but the best and I hope other people donate to projects like ladybird too (Independent donors/donations), also thanks to human rights foundation https://hrf.org/program/ai-for-individual-rights/
It's amazing how browsers had an almost mono/(duo or trio?)-poly yet it took a single guy to do all of this. Its really inspiring.
> How many people are working on the browser today?
> We currently have 8 paid full-time engineers working on Ladybird. There is also a large community of volunteer contributors.
JLO64 7 hours ago [-]
I love EVA, but I’ll cautiously recommend it. I feel like there are two sides to it: the mecha/alien/monster sci-fi side which has an amazing aesthetic, and the personal drama focusing on self loathing and loneliness. I think the first side is the most attractive to most people, but what really sticks with me to this day is the latter.
If you do end up watching I have to warn about the watch order. There are two timelines, the original TV series plus the movie “End of Evangelion”, and then the “Rebuild of Eva” movie series which started as a complete reboot but somehow ended as the ultimate Reboot/Remake/Sequel to the original stuff.
JuniperMesos 5 hours ago [-]
Skip Eva watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagan.
JLO64 2 hours ago [-]
Both are great shows made by GAINAX, but I highly watching suggest their prototypes as well: Gunbuster and Diebuster. All four are great Mecha shows made by the same studio and it's fun spotting the similarities across all of them.
What I consider to be a spiritual successor to these GAINAX mecha shows was the most recent Gundam series "Gquuuuuux" which shared many staff members from them and has plenty of homages that were fun to spot! Also had the same mechanical designer as the Evangelions so I got a kick out of that.
Imustaskforhelp 5 hours ago [-]
I understand, I had started watching these evangelion summaries thinking oh cool robots but then, I have been aware of the loneliness and other things within the series which were thought-provoking but also not really at the same time. I
I don't watch much anime (shocking within my generation which seems to be anime-driven?) but ironically I have also watched berserk's golden age arc also because of an edit that I had watched before all the horrificness is revealed but that's the reason why I haven't really read more about berserk other than the golden age.
Yu-Yu-Hakusho, death note, AOT and bersek/(evangelion? Only watched documentaries explaining it) are the only series that I have watched/listened about a lot in this sense I suppose.
With berserk and evangelion, perhaps there is something about the style of both of these, both lure you in with a particular sense of art but both have some aspects of darkness hidden beneath the pages.
There is something about first discovering it even knowing through comments that things would turn south but I still decided to watch berserk because it so captured my attention. I wished for it to be a bland piece where things turn happy ever happily but I think that berserk's decision to not do is somewhat fascinating too. maybe the lure to watch these increases knowing the fact that these aren't just single dimensional things but rather multi dimensional with deeper topics.
Evangelion with concepts like loneliness and I would associate berserk with pain and hope (hope to still fight even after so much pain)
Edit: should probably mention Its late night and I should probably sleep and I didn't really intend to send this message, I sometimes write somethings and don't send them (but save them for myself to read in documents)* because I find that I think deeper about something during this and I accidentally pressed enter, thanks for reading this but I am sure that I might not be able to give my viewpoint away but I am grateful that you read till the end. Looks like the world wanted me to send the message so I did :-D
LeFantome 4 hours ago [-]
YouTube works in Ladybird. Most things do. Biggest problem other than speed is that a lot of the “verify you are a human” checks do not work with it.
imagetic 7 hours ago [-]
Can’t ship it soon enough.
einpoklum 7 hours ago [-]
> Human Rights Foundation ... “AI for Individual Rights” program
That sounds quite dodgy. Ladybird doesn't have AI, why would such a program support its development?
But even before that: "Human Rights Foundation" sounds like "The Human League" which George makes up in Seinfeld as a fake charity. And promoting AI as a "human right" is quite suspicious. If I had to, I might be that this is something backed by one of the corporations burning through Billions of dollars and Gigawatt-hours on LLMs.
Looking at their annual report summaries and their huge staff, my guess slants a bit towards either bodies like the CIA or some ideologically-motivated billionaires (e.g. talk about the "dictator Maduro", focus on Iran etc.)
technothrasher 6 hours ago [-]
> "The Human League" which George makes up in Seinfeld as a fake charity
It was actually The Human Fund. The Human League is an English pop band, most successful in the 1980s with their hit single "Don't You Want Me".
NicuCalcea 5 hours ago [-]
There's quite a big difference between "AI for individual rights" and "AI as a human right".
vondur 4 hours ago [-]
Ha I immediately thought of the Human Fund from Seinfeld. Their fake slogan “money for humans”
cynicalsecurity 5 hours ago [-]
Interesting, I've checked the LinkedIn link of Jakub Stęplowski, a software developer proudly presenting himself as "from Poland" - 10 years of working outside of Poland in Italy and Switzerland. Yep, that checks out. I was wondering where he could have gotten $1,000 to generously burn on this project as a sponsor, with Polish salaries.
Nothing bad about it, of course. It's just it's long time overdue to move to Switzerland as well, I see.
qingcharles 5 hours ago [-]
There was a developer who I worked with at a mortgage company who had moved to the UK from Czech Republic. He would sit at his desk playing games on his phone all day and had outsourced his entire job to his friend back home for 25% of his UK salary.
Rendered at 05:00:51 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
It's also a from scratch implementation, sort of, using existing Rust crates like stylo (which servo also uses) and taffy, but it doesn't rely on any code from existing browsers such as Chromium, Gecko or WebKit.
[0] https://github.com/DioxusLabs/blitz (in /apps/browser)
This post reminded me of gaming emulator updates that I also love to read. "Fixed X bug to make Y behave correctly, which means game Z works now." (One of the things they fixed was CSS Doom, so I guess there is some legitimate overlap to gaming at any rate.)
Widevine is legitimately a “gate”, but realistically it only stops 4K playback on Netflix, Disney and a few other streaming sites. And it's not super relevant considering that Zen has gathered 10M users without it.
we have to thank tim berners lee for allowing this kind of bs in the first place
what’s Strava want with my battery level?
Totally spitballing here. Strava being a website that requests battery does not seem wildly outlandish to me, albeit it is a bit suspicious in general.
As a naive user I would expect websites to not be able to receive information about my battery state. With that information they can track my mobile phone usage pattern, and with some cross-referencing gain even more specific private information.
This would be a silly thing to use to identify bots.
To whoever had the evangelion r/unixporn as a way to test out ladybird reddit. I respect you so much as I really liked reading about evangelion (I haven't watched it as much BUT I have watched countless documentaries explaining it and had evangelion as my wallpaper for sometime)
Now coming to the point, the fact that reddit is working in ladybird sounds crazy good, I am not sure if youtube is working or not but I hope that youtube works too and Ladybird sounds to really work.
Also, thanks to https://jakubsteplow.ski/ for donating the money to ladybird. I mean I would like to actively promote people who donate to open source projects as a better way than what google ads or others too and jakub I wish you nothing but the best and I hope other people donate to projects like ladybird too (Independent donors/donations), also thanks to human rights foundation https://hrf.org/program/ai-for-individual-rights/
It's amazing how browsers had an almost mono/(duo or trio?)-poly yet it took a single guy to do all of this. Its really inspiring.
> How many people are working on the browser today?
> We currently have 8 paid full-time engineers working on Ladybird. There is also a large community of volunteer contributors.
If you do end up watching I have to warn about the watch order. There are two timelines, the original TV series plus the movie “End of Evangelion”, and then the “Rebuild of Eva” movie series which started as a complete reboot but somehow ended as the ultimate Reboot/Remake/Sequel to the original stuff.
What I consider to be a spiritual successor to these GAINAX mecha shows was the most recent Gundam series "Gquuuuuux" which shared many staff members from them and has plenty of homages that were fun to spot! Also had the same mechanical designer as the Evangelions so I got a kick out of that.
I don't watch much anime (shocking within my generation which seems to be anime-driven?) but ironically I have also watched berserk's golden age arc also because of an edit that I had watched before all the horrificness is revealed but that's the reason why I haven't really read more about berserk other than the golden age.
Yu-Yu-Hakusho, death note, AOT and bersek/(evangelion? Only watched documentaries explaining it) are the only series that I have watched/listened about a lot in this sense I suppose.
With berserk and evangelion, perhaps there is something about the style of both of these, both lure you in with a particular sense of art but both have some aspects of darkness hidden beneath the pages.
I have listened to and slept listening to this song more times than I can count: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSEkh4mgYqc
There is something about first discovering it even knowing through comments that things would turn south but I still decided to watch berserk because it so captured my attention. I wished for it to be a bland piece where things turn happy ever happily but I think that berserk's decision to not do is somewhat fascinating too. maybe the lure to watch these increases knowing the fact that these aren't just single dimensional things but rather multi dimensional with deeper topics.
Evangelion with concepts like loneliness and I would associate berserk with pain and hope (hope to still fight even after so much pain)
Edit: should probably mention Its late night and I should probably sleep and I didn't really intend to send this message, I sometimes write somethings and don't send them (but save them for myself to read in documents)* because I find that I think deeper about something during this and I accidentally pressed enter, thanks for reading this but I am sure that I might not be able to give my viewpoint away but I am grateful that you read till the end. Looks like the world wanted me to send the message so I did :-D
That sounds quite dodgy. Ladybird doesn't have AI, why would such a program support its development?
But even before that: "Human Rights Foundation" sounds like "The Human League" which George makes up in Seinfeld as a fake charity. And promoting AI as a "human right" is quite suspicious. If I had to, I might be that this is something backed by one of the corporations burning through Billions of dollars and Gigawatt-hours on LLMs.
Looking at their annual report summaries and their huge staff, my guess slants a bit towards either bodies like the CIA or some ideologically-motivated billionaires (e.g. talk about the "dictator Maduro", focus on Iran etc.)
It was actually The Human Fund. The Human League is an English pop band, most successful in the 1980s with their hit single "Don't You Want Me".
Nothing bad about it, of course. It's just it's long time overdue to move to Switzerland as well, I see.