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I could write in brainfuck with ai, but I presume, wouldn’t get the same results than if going with python.

My follow up question: with AI now, why care about a lang until you need to?

My other problem with most of the other ecosystems: ts/npm, python/uv, rust/cargo is that they all have build-time scripts that are controlled by others that execute automatically. This is a real problem because the LLM will just install things and proceed to send your home directory through a juicer. I feel a bit of a paranoiac now doing this, but I have a script that launches a podman container with just the source directory and a binary directory loaded (for caching) which compiles everything.

I know there's some sequence of steps I can take to protect myself, but if the LLM accidentally uses pnpm to run dev build scripts when I had the right config on npm or whatever, I know I'm screwed. So now I do all these shenanigans with Rust (to the extent that I vendor old deps sometimes). So the ideal language to me now is one with very few of these footguns and sandtraps which has a tight iteration loop.

I do think enforcing correctness at the type system level is a good idea for AI, which is why I often choose languages like C# and Rust over Python. However, for some things Python is definitely the correct tool for the job.

Is there some incentive I’m not seeing?

Great! Let's look back on this not too far in the future.

Remember, you are the judge whether the code is OK and if you use assembler you might get really performant code, but can you trust it?

Of course it might be a good incentive to learn rust or go. Or challenge yourself to learn something really cool like LISP, COBOL, FORTRAN, APL or J. (just kidding...)

just my 2 ct...

https://platform.claude.com/docs/en/agents-and-tools/tool-us... Also Claude Cowork, etc.

1. You don't need compilation... run and test faster. Compilers were primarily built to prevent human error, and only very secondarily to guard your business logic.

2. Your validators quite often need to evolve. With Python or JS, this is a pydantic edit + run. Imagine 3–4 iterations of the same in Rust?

3. Composition. The entire cycle of software changes. An agentic system takes orders from a human, reads some kind of cache and snippets, writes/combines snippets, tests it, runs it, and fixes it. This almost pushes you toward snippets the size of a function, which still need to be covered with tests. I can easily build 10 function-sized Python files and write an agent that will mix and match 3 of them into a final result. With a compiled language, you'd need to compile 10 times — or store the binaries and think about what platform they'll execute on, etc.

I love the fact that the author is questioning this. No doubt the market for your favorite language will change. 80% of languages will go away — there is no market anymore for such a big variety of languages.

Another benefit to using Python, is if you subscribe to writing/vibing a throwaway version first, a Python version is 100x better than a spec.

(Disclaimer: I teach Python and AI for a living and am doing a tutorial at pycon this week, Beyond vibe coding. Am also using other languages as there are times when Python isn't appropriate)

Python does have a much larger ecosystem of course, so with Go you have to develop from scratch what already exists in Python. But for smaller projects, you can also have an AI write a clean-room implementation in Go of some project in Python. So you aren't necessarily locked into one ecosystem anymore.

And in my experience, you don't even need to know the language. I have a co-worker who's basically not a programmer, but got multiple implementations of applications working sooner than our dev teams doing it by hand. You should be a coder so you can architect and orchestrate the coding, but 'language' isn't a barrier anymore.

Usually those kinds of utility scripts are one-shotted without any further input from me, and once they're there and doing what I need I usually don't bother converting them to whatever I would have written them in otherwise (bash would be my usual preference for really small scripts, typescript or rust for bigger utilities, I hate writing python but reading it is fine... kind of).

But when I wanted to optimize and edit and reorganize bthe code it was difficult, so I did a rewrite in C and it was lighter and faster and simpler and less headache.

C for humans, rust for AI.

But on the other hand, maybe you could learn some other programming language, particularly with AI help. If that's what you wanted to do anyway, it seems like a good time to learn.

My current goto for desktop apps is Tauri, which give us a rust backend and TS fronted (usually React). Local ML features can be easily loaded as a python sidecar. Production bundling can be a little challenging but it seems to work well so far.

Sidenote: Golang is also an amazing language for LLM use, I generally do most of my "infra" stuff in Golang over Rust, but either work fine most of the time.

Honestly I am in the exact same boat thinking why I don’t write in C if Claude is writing it. However I chickened out thinking if support for ml model or llm based flows doesn’t exist in c then it will be time consuming to go to python then.

Personal: Rust/Go based on criticality of being able to glean code quickly, or memory usage, etc

There are many existing, often mature, third-party software libraries or solutions that a new project could use but which hide the internals, including how the data is organized behind the scenes*. Vibe-coding for the specific project requirements, instead of using the pre-existing third-party libraries, is now becoming a feasible option. The latter may be simpler (no features beyond the actual need), more flexible (easier to add new needed features), and the data/model behind could be more accessible.

Looking for feedback on pros/cons and experiences along this.

* I care for the data as it is can be longer-lived than the code itself.

Thanks.

I think the rule of thumb is to use the tool that is right for the job and that you are going to be able to understand the output.

I don't know why you would use Python at all except for small iterative projects. If you hate java for some reason, there's Go...

I don't know rust at all and I've built three applications using it with Claude because it has speed and correctness built-in.

I use Typescript for 90% of the things I build. For web development I've used a number of tools, but mostly react, nextjs, or raw html/css/js. But if I were building an enterprise application I'd consider my team and whether opinionated (Angular) was optimal over flexible (React).

Each project should consider its own optimal tech stack.

When I run a game I don't care of the dev used C or whatever. Only programmers care about the syntactic representation.

I need the machine code/byte code patterns/geometric/color gradient data.

Eventually Python will be what you see on screen but no cPython interpreter program as we know it will be running

The model will have an internal awareness of the result to return without running an actual REPL

https://dev.to/zijianhuang/prompt-to-ai-generated-binary-is-...

1. Type safety as basic guard rails that LLM output is syntactically and schematically correct

2. Concise since you have to review a lot more code

3. Easy to debug / good observability since you can't rely on your understanding of the code. Something functional where you can observe the state at any moment would be ideal.

4. A very large set of public code examples across various domains so there's enough training data for the LLM to be proficient in that language

5. A large open source ecosystem of libraries to write less code and avoid the tendency for generated code to bloat

It's basically all the same things you look for in general. I think TypeScript scores high here but I'm curious if anyone knows of a language that fits these criteria better.

And prompt does not replace that.

This "fair weather development" approach feels very risky if that application is going to be exposed to any serious usage. There WILL be a situation when things break and the AI will be powerless to fix it (quickly) without breaking something else in a vicious loop. There WILL be a situation where things work fine and tests pass with 3 concurrent users but grind to a complete halt with 1000 because there is something O(N^2) deep in the code. And you NEED a human to save your day (which requires also proper architecture for that to be possible in the first place). If you don't plan for this, and just hope for the best, then you are building nothing more than a toy. And if you plan for this, then it matters again what the language is, and whether your team is proficient in it.

Or maybe I too old fashioned or too behind the state of the AI art...

Give it 2 years, the ‘Blame the AI ‘ incidents will increase. Like an unfaithful partner you’ll always return to it

tldr 2% average point lost on Rust compared to python, gap vary by model, go has a better upper bound but opus had it 3% below python.

benchmark is a bit old but research on why is there, article is just vibes

2) it's practically verbose, not technically

3) it resembles pseudocode

4) batteries included shortcuts a lot of work

all of these reasons are a boon for LLM work.

2) The corpus for the sort of applications I build is likely larger for Python than it is for C++ and Rust. Bigger corpus == more training data == better generated code.

3) The bottleneck in the applications I run aren't in the execution of the code; they're in the database/network latency.

4) I don't get anything extra for pushing Rust or C++ over Python.

(Joke but also not a joke)

AI doesn't really write code for me, but I do use them to brainstorm/ask questions. Though, I do not use Python. I have never been a fan of the language. I still think Python is a perfectly serviceable language, but it would solve no (important) problems I have ever had better than any other language.

I can see why Python is appealing to many people, and I applaud Guido for all the work and oversight over the years, but Python lacks a lot of the things I like in a language.

One of the reasons I dislike Go is because it's easy for most engineers to write really low grade code with it. But AI agents would probably not write the best code in any language anyway, so not much is lost.

Therefore the "best" language is going to be whatever makes it easiest for humans to detect bugs, bad design, or that the "wrong thing" has been developed.

It doesn't matter if the 800-line if statement is able to use pattern matching.

There's been a lot of progress on making coding agents able to solve problems when they can easily evaluate in a closed loop, we desperately need something similar for controlling complexity and using relevant abstractions.

The (well-known) Sapir–Whorf hypothesis (if dont know it, look it uop) is often invoked for natural languages, but there’s a pretty direct analogue for programming languages: the language you "think in" during solving a problem biases which abstractions and idioms you reach for first.

If you force an LLM to first solve a problem in a highly abstract language (Lisp, APL, Prolog) and only then later translate that solution to C++ or Rust, you’re effectively changing the intermediate representation the model works in. That IR has very different "affordance", e.g.

- Lisp pushes you toward recursive tree/list processing, higher‑order functions and macro‑like decomposition. (some nice web frameworks were initially written in LISP, scheme, etc...)

- APL pushes you toward whole‑array transforms, point‑free pipelines and exploiting data parallelism. (banks are still using it because of perforance)

- Prolog pushes you toward facts/rules, constraint satisfaction, and backtracking search. (it is a very high abstraction but might suit LLMs very well)

OK, and when you then translate that program into C++/Rust/python, a lot of this bias leaks through. You often end up with:

Rule engines, constraint solvers, or table‑driven dispatch code when the starting point was Prolog.

Iterator/functor pipelines and EDSL‑like combinators when the starting point was Lisp.

Data‑parallel kernels and "vectorized" loops when the starting point was APL.

In principle, an LLM could generate those idioms directly in C++/Rust. In practice, however, models are heavily shaped by their training distribution and default prompts. If you just say "write in Rust", they tend to regress towards the most common patterns in the corpus (framework‑heavy, imperative, not very aggressively functional or data‑parallel), even when the language would support richer abstractions.

By inserting a "thinking" step in a different paradigm, you bias the search over solution space before you ever get to Rust/C++. That doesn’t magically make the code better, but it does change which regions of the design space the model explores.

Same would also be true for python which is already a multi-idiomatic language. So it might be a good idea to learn a portfolio of different languages and then try to tackle a problem with a specific language instead of automatically using python/go/rust because of performance.

Something to consider...

p.s. how would a problem be solved when the LLM would have to write it first in erlang? Is it the automatically distributed?

p.p.s. the "design pattern" of the GoF comes automatically to my mind, which might be a good hint to the LLM to use.

I'm using coding tools to build a complex media-intensive application. The approach I'm taking is to build a _reference implementation_ in Python, which is in its design specifics, constrained to use patterns which transliterate into the actual deployment targets (iPadOS/MacOS/Web).

Why start with Python?

Because I can read it, reason about it, and run it, trivially, which are Good Things for the reference. I intend to have multiple targets; I'd rather relate them to a source of ground truth I am fluent in.

For what I'm doing, there is also a very rich set of prior art and existing libraries for doing various esoteric things—my spidey sense is that I'm benefiting from that. More examples, more discourse.

I'm out of the prediction business and won't say this is either a good model for every new project, or, one I will need in another N months/years.

But for the moment it sure feels like a sweet spot.

Ask me again though, after the reference goes gold and I actually take up the transliteration though... :)

b) Python code is easier to introspect, and set up test harnesses around. And also extend in agentic frameworks

c) LLMs are really good at translation. I can give it python code and it can translate it into C.

> Klabnik vibe-coded a new language in Rust, therefore Claude + Rust = Good.

I argue the inverse -- Rust, being an ML-family language, is well suited for parsing, and language design (I know! Shocker!). In more moderate translation -- ML-style languages are good for parsing, interpreting and compiling code. Claude is not the magic here -- ML is.

I would also add that I've had decent success vibe-coding+human-coding Haskell (contrary to the article). My experience is that if I can hand-write a rich set of types (blessed be IxMonad), I can throw Claude to fill in the blanks for the implementations. If I can design the data structures that make the program tick, bridging them is something Claude is awesome at. Again, no surprise -- it's intern-level work.

The key distinction between C, Zig and Rust is that Rust is designed around types. C and Zig are more memory-oriented -- they really see most of your program as flat memory and you can kind of shoehorn a little bit of data layout in that flat memory. While this offers a large amount flexibility, this philosophy isn't well suited for proving out correctness. But again -- this doesn't mean they don't have a spot.

When I was a junior at Tesla, I used to joke that senior staff had a VMs in their heads, because that's really how you analyze C programs -- you try to execute it in your head, with interesting inputs, but that's about it. Claude's head-VM is quite fuzzy and often makes errors.

With Rust, if you design your type system, you prevent yourself from making dumb mistakes. Swap out "yourself" with Claude here and it's the same story.

I've yet to see Claude design really nice type systems, fwiw.

But the point is -- Claude is the enemy of beauty and correctness -- it's up to the SWE to design a type-system which will prevent it from doing so. To be clear, I obsess over type-systems personally, but that's not the only way -- incredibly rich, comprehensive, huge type systems, fuzzing, Antithesis, proptesting are all things you can do to minimize the impact of slop, and those are all valid things to do.

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> Code is not written by humans therefore it doesn't matter that you don't know Rust.

Wouldn't say this was explicitly stated, but I definitely smelt this undertone throughout the article. If you don't understand the language you're reading, how can you understand whether the code in front of you is correct or not? If you have a systems engineer sitting across you to clean your PRs up, you can pass that responsibility onto them, but what about when they give their two weeks?

If all you know is Python, chances are you're going to make better software in Python than in Rust. Stick an `Arc<Mutex<T>>` everywhere and chances are your code will be slower, as a matter of fact. Use If you want to learn Rust, please join us! But if all you're trying to do is vibe-code better code -- do it in the language you know and can actually debug when shit hits the fan.

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> Anthropic C Compiler

It is impressive that Claude is awesome at taking existing code and rewriting it, this is certain, but I'd like to repeat the exact same rhetoric that many have given -- rewriting =/= original authorship. Awesome, we have a C compiler, but we already had one, and we just rewrote it? Seems like a little bit of wasted electricity.

To build on top of this, I am really happy that Bun is exploring Rust, and the Claude rewrite is truly impressive, but quite surprising at times, preserving strange anti-patterns (my name being said anti-pattern, teehee): https://github.com/oven-sh/bun/blob/ffa6ce211a0267161ae48b82.... It's hard to determine why Claude decided this -- I assume a really strict input prompt.

Do note that the current stage of that PR is much better than what it was at the state of that commit, and obviously Jarred isn't merging blind slop, but that is still human-driven by someone who has an understanding of their product.

My bet is actually that _rewrites_ of already-functioning, well-tested code, are likely to be more common as time progresses. I think that's what Claude is really awesome at, and I think Claude can often achieve 80-20 improvements through rewrites. Again, Claude alone will not be a silver bullet -- it won't generate data-oriented programs if the source material wasn't data-oriented. It won't optimize for cache coherency, if the source didn't, but moving from Python to Rust alone, with more-or-less the same code structure, you're likely to see improvements by virtue of common operations being memory-coherent and avoiding the GIL and so on.

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> A C compiler written in Rust used to be a graduate thesis. It isn’t anymore.

Come on, this is disingenuous -- a simple C compiler is a 1-day long project. LLVM is a graduate thesis (and for good reason). Copy-pasting prior-art is academic dishonesty and Claude does a lot of that.

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For transparency: I work with Noah.

EDIT: Wanted to add that not a single line of my comment was AI generated.

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