Finally they will pay for all the scaremongering they been doing to sell their models as something so much ahead of all else.
Now they finally found the right fools in audience to believe it.
maplethorpe 18 minutes ago [-]
This is good PR for them. They get to tweet about how scary and powerful their models are in the lead up to their IPO.
mahkeiro 6 minutes ago [-]
It mainly shows that this is another US companies that cannot be trusted by anyone outside of the US because of the US government.
chrismsimpson 9 minutes ago [-]
Cratering their user base outside of the US is hardly going to be good for their IPO.
ks2048 3 minutes ago [-]
It would be if it was rationally tied to the strength of the model. More likely, it’s simply the government deciding who can compete.
avaer 4 minutes ago [-]
They've already been labeled a "supply chain risk". Probably not a good idea to upset the regulators more. Maybe tomorrow Opus will be declared too dangerous for the public.
karmasimida 16 minutes ago [-]
Incorrect. Heavy government regulation means it is limited how they can sell this model and to whom.
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nandomrumber 13 minutes ago [-]
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avaer 36 minutes ago [-]
This affects more than just Anthropic. It's a game of thrones and everyone using this technology loses. I wouldn't cheer for that.
ks2048 11 minutes ago [-]
It appears to affect only the companies that Trump decides it should affect.
goatlover 6 minutes ago [-]
When did conservatives abandon the free market?
gmoore 3 minutes ago [-]
when has the market ever been free?
panny 16 minutes ago [-]
>everyone using this technology loses
As someone not using the technology, I'm fine with that :) Intellectual property laundering was never a good thing. Glad we can begone with it.
avaer 12 minutes ago [-]
This doesn't help; customers will switch to a different model.
It just means the government decides who gets to profit off of laundered IP, which is arguably even worse.
panny 10 minutes ago [-]
I'm pretty sure it's the people paying for it that decide who profits off it.
ignoramous 26 minutes ago [-]
> It's a game of thrones and everyone using this technology loses
Everyone? There's worlds outside of the United States government overreach.
neuronexmachina 54 minutes ago [-]
Based on this, it seems like the Trump admin would have targeted them even without the "scaremongering":
> To date, the government has only given us verbal evidence of a potential narrow, non-universal jailbreak, which essentially consists of asking the model to read a specific codebase and fix any software flaws. Our understanding is that one potential jailbreak was shared with the government. We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe.
zmmmmm 41 minutes ago [-]
> the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models
Is this Dario leveraging it into a ban on open models?
PlasmaPower 26 minutes ago [-]
No, he specifically gave a proprietary OpenAI model as an example (unless you meant OpenAI models instead of open source models)
Eridrus 5 minutes ago [-]
The difference between OpenAI & Anthropic is that OpenAI didn't do multiple big media pushes about how their models are so scary and dangerous.
OpenAI's models are very good, they have refusals + a government ID verification story for cyber access (I don't think they prevent non-US nationals, but I don't know this). What they don't have is Project Glasswing and all the hand wringing about how they're going to end the world in public.
I hope Anthropic pulls their head out of their ass and just starts acting like a normal company.
ceejayoz 39 minutes ago [-]
That’s a safe assumption, considering they tried it a few months back too.
Probably a marketing ploy. Inflate the value even more before an IPO, and Daddy Trump and his friends make a few $$$.
It'll be "resolved" within a few days.
hollerith 4 minutes ago [-]
Was WWII a marketing ploy to inflate the value of German and Japanese stocks?
rvz 45 minutes ago [-]
This is what Anthropic wanted and they want this to apply to all other frontier models providers (including themselves) that release powerful models.
> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
They ultimately got what they wanted.
trunnell 14 minutes ago [-]
> They ultimately got what they wanted.
No, it's not what they wanted. As it says in your quote, they wanted "a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles."
theptip 5 minutes ago [-]
This is nonsense. What Anthropic have been campaigning for, since the beginning, is a principled rule-based audit of model releases.
Now we are getting reactive, arbitrary and capricious enforcement; rules rushed out the door; classified evals. The worst of both worlds.
bayarearefugee 26 minutes ago [-]
> They ultimately got what they wanted.
They got what they claim they wanted for PR purposes. Like when a billionaire says they should be taxed more, or when Sam Altman says the public should get some of that AI wealth.
But they never thought it would actually happen.
Oops.
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scriptsmith 38 minutes ago [-]
And now is this going to be a one-off, or routine with every new generation of models?
neuronexmachina 5 minutes ago [-]
Is there any reason they couldn't also apply export-control to older models, just to screw with Anthropic?
karmasimida 14 minutes ago [-]
Every. There is no reason the government will let go the power it has obtained, that is never how it works
EnPissant 1 hours ago [-]
Pay? This is the best marketing they could have hoped for.
stingraycharles 57 minutes ago [-]
Yup, getting Cartmanland marketing vibes here. “It’s the best theme park ever, and you can’t come!” does wonders for creating demand.
I wouldn’t the surprised if all this were actually orchestrated, it all seems too convenient.
Doubtful. Fable 5 is insanely good it’ll sell itself. No need for unscrupulous advertising tactics.
What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering. Like is it a “Non-US Citizen”? Do US citizens abroad count?
eks391 18 minutes ago [-]
Foreign national is anyone who doesn't have legally recognized citizenship of the USA. So citizens living abroad aren't barred, nor would dual citizens be.
simoncion 18 minutes ago [-]
> What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering.
The following quoted text is from the Definitions section of 8 USC § 1101, which is reproduced at [0]. (Though, you will probably have to scroll up a bit to be able to read subsection (a)(21), which is the thing I'm linking to.)
(21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state.
(22) The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.
(23) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever.
From this, it's fairly clear that a "foreign national" is someone owing permanent allegiance to a foreign (that is, non-US) state. What's not immediately clear to me is whether a US citizen can also be a "foreign national", [1] and how that would affect access to things from which foreign nationals are barred. [2]
There is a chance they'll lose on some income if it takes longer.
Unfortunately there also a possibility this what they intentionally wanted to try regulatory capture to get rid of competitors.
platinumrad 46 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic has been angling for regulatory capture this entire time, to an even greater extent than OpenAI.
blackqueeriroh 39 minutes ago [-]
Y’all really have convinced yourselves that people in the industry are far, far smarter than they are, and far more manipulative than they are.
You see the state of the country and you think it’s a nefarious master plan instead of a bunch of opportunistic people taking advantage of an overworked, overstimulated populace who forget to vote or believe stupid slogans on TV.
Nobody is doing this intentionally. Have you not paid attention to how quickly idiot stuff gets found out????
tmp10423288442 15 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic in particular has been angling for regulatory capture (with themselves in control, of course) pretty explicity.
butWhathuh 21 minutes ago [-]
> opportunistic people taking advantage of an overworked, overstimulated populace
Over worked and over stimulated is the intentional method and means these people well aware of the neurological consequences rely on
nl 14 minutes ago [-]
"It is time to go beyond transparency to more serious and binding regulation of AI."[1]
They have spoken publicly about how they want open models banned (they call them Chinese models).
They might not want this specific action, but they do want regulation on their own terms. That really is regulatory capture.
> Nobody is doing this intentionally. Have you not paid attention to how quickly idiot stuff gets found out
They don't think is is "idiot stuff" - they are doing it openly and shouting to everyone who will listen! Read Dario's latest essay[1]:
> Many policymakers are showing increased openness to taking action, and it's been encouraging to see our peers come around to the same positions we've been advocating for over the past few years.
[snip]
> Thus, in 2025, Anthropic supported transparency legislation, helping to pass SB 53 in California, RAISE in NY, SB 315 in Illinois (in early 2026), and advocating for a transparency standard at the federal level.
[snip]
> It is time to go beyond transparency to more serious and binding regulation of AI.
> I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action.
> The government should have the power to block or deter deployment of the model if it is determined, in light of third-party assessment, to present unacceptable risks.
I'm not sure why you think they don't want to be "found out"!
platinumrad 11 minutes ago [-]
> They have spoken publicly about how they want open models banned (they call them Chinese models).
Whenever I hear some octogenarian senator babble about the evils of distillation I assume Amodei (or maybe Altman) fed them the script, word for word.
platinumrad 15 minutes ago [-]
Let's leave aside the "smarter" part, since I made no claim to the effect and I don't think it's very relevant in the first place.
Do you really not think that people like Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Dario Amodei angle for regulatory capture? It happens in every other industry, from automobiles to tax preparation software. Why do you think that AI is any different?
whattheheckheck 28 minutes ago [-]
Let's see their private journals, private conversations, messages to peers, all meetings and every side conversation, and then tell me its unintentional.
Thats incredibly infuriating to hear someone say.
Obviously no one is absolute control of everything but physics is essentially shows nothing other than information determinism. There has to have been a thought of intention in the minds of these people as they play in the largest arena publicly.
"No one is doing it intentionally because I think theyre dumber then I think other people think they are"
"They're taking advantage of people intentionally"
"People dont have political power to do anything about their victory laps"
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hsuduebc2 57 minutes ago [-]
I also do not understand this. Now they are labelled as precious US tech that could be not used by anyone else, because president heard about the jailbreaking for the first time I guess. With this genius logic they soon be banning GPT 5.5.
p-e-w 47 minutes ago [-]
No it’s not. A company that finds itself the target of potentially crippling government intervention is not an attractive investment.
r-w 18 minutes ago [-]
It might be if all you're seeking is large-cap stocks with lots of volatility you can leverage that are here to stay for the long haul. Also, the market doesn't seem to believe that Trump will be in power forever.
greatgib 41 minutes ago [-]
I would more easily guess that it is a revenge of Trump for Anthropic humiliating him when he wanted to use it without control for military purpose. And indeed it used against them their own marketing allegations.
staticvar 2 minutes ago [-]
Maybe revenge, but it's a common play to fire a shot across the bow to create leverage in other areas.
penteract 8 minutes ago [-]
Note that the US military is almost the only customer that it might be safe to sell to while complying with this directive.
optimalsolver 53 minutes ago [-]
Would be funny if they got themselves nationalized.
I mean, better safe than sorry, right Dario?
p-e-w 48 minutes ago [-]
No way the US is going to nationalize a tech company regardless of what happens. The exodus of capital would be unimaginable.
blooalien 36 minutes ago [-]
> "No way the US is going to nationalize a tech company regardless of what happens. The exodus of capital would be unimaginable."
You simply cannot apply any sort of actual logic to the reasoning of the current U.S. government's actions... They just "do stuff" because they feel like it, with no clear thought whatsoever of any potential consequences that may occur.
vmg12 42 minutes ago [-]
The CEO of Anthropic himself has said AI is like a nuclear bomb when justifying export controls on Nvidia chips. How many private companies control nuclear bombs?
nl 12 minutes ago [-]
> Trump says his team will 'look into' US taking stake in AI companies[1]
Yes, there is a gap between "taking a stake" and nationalizing one, but..
Trump has already (with Altman directly egging him on) talked about the US taking a share in (i.e. partially nationalising) the AI companies. Has he not called a meeting about this next week?
lovich 40 minutes ago [-]
They took 10% of Intel and the only reaction was my stocks increasing in value 5x.
oskarkk 27 minutes ago [-]
Taking a 10% stake in a company is far from nationalization. And the big increase in Intel's stock price happened months after that.
dofm 21 minutes ago [-]
It is literally partially nationalising though, isn’t it?
This is how the UK government got the banks through the 2008 financial crisis.
lovich 9 minutes ago [-]
Taking any % is partially nationalizing it and there was no negative capital flight. And 10% is a pretty significant portion.
ihsw 17 minutes ago [-]
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SubiculumCode 38 minutes ago [-]
You call it scare-mongering. Others, serious thinkers and leaders in the AI and national security space, believe, maybe not scare-mongering enough.
AI is a national security issue. Best accept that as fact, or you won't see it coming.
karmasimida 29 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic and US Government, there can be only one right in this situation.
I think David Sacks is right, if you are saying you are building nuclear bombs, then prepared to be regulated like one.
There is no eating it while having it
LPisGood 10 minutes ago [-]
I agree completely. If these things are so dangerous that they turn every person into an advanced persistent thread actor, capable of causing untold cyber destruction (oh, and they can make bio weapons etc), then they should be treated like the weapons they are.
mmh0000 35 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, LLMs are a national security issue on par with spellcheck.
mensetmanusman 28 minutes ago [-]
LLMs are piloting EM-proof kamakazi drones and destroying logistics networks today.
ygjb 12 minutes ago [-]
Shh...you'll burst the bubble of the folks who think that LLMs are toy stochastic parrots...
zingababba 33 minutes ago [-]
Right now it's basically this easy:
1. apex domain
2. ????
3. critical PII exposure
There is /so/ much stuff on the internet that just needed someone to spend enough time on it.
yogthos 35 minutes ago [-]
Nobody with even a modicum of understanding of this believes any of this. These 'serious thinkers' are just grifters preying on the feeble minded.
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zmmmmm 42 minutes ago [-]
Listen - that's the sound of millions of companies and users doubling down on Chinese models.
It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.
tkgally 16 minutes ago [-]
As it happens, the current number-two article on HN is about a similar consequence of Chinese export controls--a car manufacturer developing electric motors that do not use rare earths:
Which models? Im curious what kind of more specific hypothesis you're willing to put forth. Anthropic going to lose 20-30-40-50% of users to Deepseek? What?
bigyabai 9 minutes ago [-]
I quit paying for Claude Code to buy z.ai's coding plan for use with OpenCode. I'm not a power user, but I don't regret switching away from Claude. OpenCode is generally nicer for my work.
paulmist 24 minutes ago [-]
Aren't biggest Qwen 3.7 closed? I don't suspect China's policy here would be anything but ruthless.
andrewchambers 21 minutes ago [-]
deepseek v4 pro is great and open weight.
EchoVoicy 10 minutes ago [-]
It is, and I love it, but it isn't capable of performing the tasks I've been giving to Opus, let alone Fable.
Don't get me wrong, I use it, it's fast-smart-and affordable. But not suitable for all tasks.
ks2048 24 minutes ago [-]
Wait until it is illegal to download or use Chinese models (only half-joking).
platinumrad 7 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic is explicitly lobbying for this.
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stingraycharles 54 minutes ago [-]
So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent?
And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / significantly better models going to be recouped?
ncallaway 50 minutes ago [-]
It seems more likely that the logical conclusion is the executive branch is mad at Anthropic, and lashing out at them with any convenient tool that they have.
I suspect if OpenAI or Grok was operating at the same level they wouldn’t find themselves on the sharp end of the government stick
blueaquilae 28 minutes ago [-]
But it was Anthropic initiative to limit the deployment to restricted groups, it's great to see the gov following their analysis. AIs are too powerful and dangerous they should be limited to a very restrained individuals isn't?
thewebguyd 13 minutes ago [-]
> AIs are too powerful and dangerous they should be limited to a very restrained individuals isn't?
IF LLMs are THAT dangerous and powerful (and that's a huge if that I do not currently subscribe to), then no, no one should have access at all, there is no group of people in positions of power (government or corporate power) that I would consider "restrained"
nonethewiser 17 minutes ago [-]
If you have more specific information for your claim that it's just weaponization then please provide it.
Otherwise the nominal reason seems entirely plausible. Anthropic warns of the model, releases with safeguards, and US says those have been bypassed.
ncallaway 37 seconds ago [-]
Are you asking me to provide evidence that in this specific instance this is an instance of weaponization of process, or are you asking me for evidence that this particular executive has lost the benefit of the doubt when it comes to weaponization claims, or are you asking for evidence that the executive is hostile to Anthropic?
LPisGood 4 minutes ago [-]
This government has proved time and time again it does not deserve the presumption of regularity and that it is more than capable of acting in arbitrary and capricious manner for petty reasons.
AI has been moving faster than culture and thinking around it. Once we've adapted to what these models can do we'll relax a little, and then a new stepwise improvement will start it all over again. It always goes this way.
dabinat 43 minutes ago [-]
I predict in future the best frontier models will be gatekept solely to the wealthy.
swingboy 31 minutes ago [-]
I realize these models are locked up pretty tight and terabytes in size, but in a future like that, I don’t see them not being leaked via an insider. The weights have to be loaded into VRAM at some point.
xpct 22 minutes ago [-]
That would depend on what gets leaked, as I'm not so sure that the weights by themselves would be enough to replicate the architecture. I imagine some part of the secret sauce will remain in the architecture, and the tensor dimensions may not be enough to decode it.
I'm sure if proprietary models continue to be a big thing, the methodology of their storage and loading on hardware will be obfuscated quite a bit.
chatmasta 20 minutes ago [-]
It’s a pretty safe bet that every frontier lab has multiple foreign intelligence agencies running assets inside of it.
matheusmoreira 14 minutes ago [-]
Hope it happens someday. That'd probably be the best possible outcome for all of humanity.
reneberlin 1 minutes ago [-]
I don't think it's a good idea to give the crowds that kind of weapon. The first thing they'd do is "liberate" the model aka remove guardrails and safetly-protocols and brag on X / reddit with it and throw it into the public. That's only cool for a geek that doesn't think about the ethical impact of such a move. You'd basically become responsible for anything that is done with it, forever - have a good sleep. /s
Smith42 27 minutes ago [-]
It's always been this way ever since the first industrial revolution.
echelon 34 minutes ago [-]
Pay $1,000,000 per business function you want to build.
Businesses will gladly pay it.
Individuals will be locked out and unable to compete.
Oracle will be able to "prompt a new smartphone" for $500M or whatever and enter the market to compete with Apple and Google. You and I can't afford that and won't be able to compete.
Hyperscalers will hyper scale even faster.
They'll port Linux to Rust, remove the GPL, and have all kinds of new entirely proprietary OSes. They'll be attested, signed, and gradually we'll lose open hardware. Thin clients with binary blobs, highly encrypted, no control, only leased to us.
Within a generation nobody will be able to program or own devices that can program.
That's the scary scenario.
pmontra 13 minutes ago [-]
Very few businesses can pay 1M without blinking. None of my customers. But yeah, I got the gist of it. Incumbents like moats and happily pay money to build them. Note that the pricing of Anthropic's models usually increases for new models. Chinese models cost 10 or 100 times less. Are they less capable? Maybe, but they are alternatives unless credit card companies start banning payments to them.
matheusmoreira 12 minutes ago [-]
That's genuinely terrifying.
yogthos 32 minutes ago [-]
Not if Chinese companies have anything to say about it.
mensetmanusman 26 minutes ago [-]
Chinese AI self censor or are banned from being released by their emperor.
8note 18 minutes ago [-]
how is that different from US AI that self censors and is banned from release by their emperors?
greenavocado 30 minutes ago [-]
I'm praying that China survives this BS and remains the bastion of AI model openness and freedom of choice. Can't believe I just wrote that.
wahnfrieden 17 minutes ago [-]
China’s biggest models are closed
verdverm 8 minutes ago [-]
The biggest open models are also Chinese
gWPVhyxPHqvk 38 minutes ago [-]
> So isn’t the only logical conclusion that we have reached the max of model capabilities that the US allows to be made available to the public? Why invest in smarter models with this precedent?
95% odds this gets reversed by Monday morning is why
lovich 36 minutes ago [-]
Tuesday is the traditional reversal day.
cmrdporcupine 13 minutes ago [-]
The logical conclusion is that someone "forgot" to pay the right bribe to somebody in the admin, or make the right contributions to the GOP.
Same as the new bridge between Windsor and Detroit can't open until some palms are greased.
Chaos is a ladder, gotta keep climbing
enraged_camel 19 minutes ago [-]
>> if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus
What an unbelievable claim. Especially since the vast majority of publicly available benchmarks disagree.
melenaboija 19 minutes ago [-]
Mmmm this “technology” is available to anyone with a big enough bag of bucks to train new models. So besides of this bubble popping soon, we only have to wait a few months to have someone else with a similar model.
This is the result of the American style spectacle around LLMs. Just that this time backfired.
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teaearlgraycold 44 minutes ago [-]
Eh, not any different than the performative encryption restrictions from decades past.
varispeed 49 minutes ago [-]
I don't know, I've been using Mythos this week quite sceptically and I found it to be incredibly dumb. For instance gave it a dialogue between 3 people and it was constantly mixing up who said what to whom, which looked like early Gemini behaviour. But latest Opus does that too. It would also make nonsensical inference about given papers and only correct itself when pointed out what it said wrong. If that is what US government fears... maybe the fear is that someone follows the dumb things the model suggests.
zmmmmm 35 minutes ago [-]
it feels like it's mostly just tuned to up it's level of capability on long horizon tasks - stop context rot and keep persisting at all costs until a goal is done.
The base intelligence does not feel much greater to me.
hgoel 1 hours ago [-]
Well, there go any such claims of dangerousness in future models, regardless of if they are true or false.
No one's going to risk building anything important on these models if the government will randomly order the use of the model to be discontinued by all foreigners, regardless of if they are in the US or not. Just a matter of a foreign company catching up to take the commercial market for such models (though, as the US often does, they'll ban the competitor, so actually we'll have a situation where the backend uses a different model in only the US).
fnordpiglet 28 minutes ago [-]
I think it’s more like “there goes the semiconductor boom predicated on monetization of ever larger models.” Once the IS government acts out of capricious fiat because a model becomes “too good” and they demonetize it, the entire shell game collapses. It’s times like these, with oil scarcity planet wide, fertilizer scarcity, and now ham fisted meddling in the bubbles expansion, we can be thankful we have an octogenarian senile stable genius with twenty two specialist doctors and a disdain for the rule of law at the wheel!
UncleOxidant 5 minutes ago [-]
Agreed. The timing here is interesting as well. 5:21PM ET on a Friday. Like they know this could roil markets and they're trying to buffer that a bit (and maybe they're really hoping this deal with Iran is actual real this time and figure that will help offset the effects?)
hgoel 23 minutes ago [-]
The thought that this would also destabilize the AI bubble did come to mind, but the current government loves to crash the market on Fridays, only to backpeddle on Mondays.
A related thought though, the AI boom is predicated on the idea that everyone's going to want or need all this "mass produced" intelligence. But what happens to that when you go from being able to claim to have a total market size of ~8B people, to ~400M peoole? I think the reason to push ahead at any cost evaporates.
neuronexmachina 53 minutes ago [-]
From reading the post, I think it's more likely that anti-jailbreaking is going to become much more strict and prone to false-positives.
> We received the directive from the government today at 5:21pm (ET). The letter did not provide specific details of its national security concern. Our understanding is that the government believes it has become aware of a method of bypassing, or “jailbreaking” Fable 5. We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass.
hgoel 49 minutes ago [-]
But no matter how conservative they make the jailbreaking, the risk doesn't go away. There are so many logic "holes" that are ambiguous and can blur the line between a jailbreak and legitimate use.
If every time a jailbreak is discovered, the model has to be turned off and jailbreak prevention updated, the effect will be the same regarding how willing users are to adopt it.
chatmasta 16 minutes ago [-]
Anti-jailbreaking and passport verified access to model families.
EgregiousCube 52 minutes ago [-]
I mean, lots of Americans would risk building something important with it in that case.
hgoel 48 minutes ago [-]
With how much foreign talent is involved in the tech world?
convolvatron 31 minutes ago [-]
its establishing a bifurcation in the tech workforce at private companies into citizens and 'foreign nationals' for security reasons. that's not a very pretty precedent. pretty destructive given the pervasiveness of international workers in us tech. its just going to encourage organizations outside the US to further develop their own training methodologies and models.
this cleaving of the us from good relations with other people is sold as a consolidation of strength. Made from a position of baseless hypernationalism, its just going to make the US much less relevant on the world stage.
I laughed, asking it to write it's eulogy was a good use of tokens
frisco 57 minutes ago [-]
For large corporates and other entities of any size, the threat of the core of your infrastructure getting suddenly disabled because of something like this is going to be untenable. I predict the pressures for on-prem, offline access (whether by licensing weights or getting them in a restricted setting like TEE/CC) will be overwhelming and one the players will fill the need.
dansquizsoft 52 seconds ago [-]
Thinking that on prem models will be a halfway decent solution against what can be served out of a data center is a fools take... One that is more common than it should be on here...
WarOnPrivacy 27 minutes ago [-]
> I predict the pressures for on-prem, offline access ... will be overwhelming and one the players will fill the need.
I'd agree except that Big AI has made sure that most of us can't afford the hardware (RAM, NVMe, etc) to run it.
Folcon 6 minutes ago [-]
Honestly at this point I'm not sure how much that matters?
sgrove 41 minutes ago [-]
Likely many points along the pareto frontier.
Some will take greater risks and win (or lose); others will play it safer and slowly accumulate wins (or be obsoleted).
Never mind the threat of letting these models write code that runs your business, or operate it agentically. Models trained by actors (corporate or nationstate) diametrically opposed to your interests.
Lots to take into account now, interesting time to be in business.
yogthos 27 minutes ago [-]
This is precisely why I expect that Chinese open models are going to win in the long run. The capability difference isn't dramatic in the grand scheme of things, but the fact that you can run your own is a huge selling point. Even if you rent an open model from a Chinese company, you can switch to on prem if they decided to yank access or change terms in the way you don't like. It might be a pain, but it wouldn't be existential. On the other hand, if you become dependent on a closed model and it gets yanked then you're in a world of hurt.
And infrastructure dominance is really the big picture here. Chinese models are going to become the standard setters because they're going to be what people are using. That means more research, more tooling, and a whole ecosystem developing around them.
> You see the dawn of this age everywhere, from Iran to online age verification regimes, and this is only the beginning. This is why the world ahead will feel medieval in structure while remaining hypermodern and even futuristic in technology. It is a Frank Herbert world. It will be organized around overlapping zones of protection, extraction, and controlled access, rather than around universal inclusion into a single normative space.
When you spend a lot of time telling people how dangerous your products are, people who have the power to keep dangerous products off the market might listen.
Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals.
I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really like to be. People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices. I think this is a punitive move by an administration that loves being punitive, which they have unknowingly bolstered with their own dumb rhetoric.
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maxall4 1 hours ago [-]
> We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe. We will share more details over the next 24 hours.
So much for all of the rhetoric about Mythos supposedly far surpassing GPT 5.5 (edit: in cybersecurity, in particular). Of course, the AISI benchmarks also showed this, but it is amusing that Anthropic is saying it now that it is to their advantage.
siddboots 60 minutes ago [-]
They aren't saying that other models have the same overall level of capability. They are saying that the specific capability that the US Government tested is also available in other models.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 11 minutes ago [-]
I’d suggest you use an LLM to assist you with comprehending their statement. It’ll do a better job, or at the very least be more objective than you’re being now. You’ve misinterpreted the statement. That is not what they’re saying at all. Please actually read instead of skimming until you find something that you believe reinforces your worldview.
Tossrock 56 minutes ago [-]
This is about the specific capabilities that the government called out, not Fable's overall capabilities. My personal experience, having used Fable this week for an extremely complex task, is that it is head and shoulders more powerful than any other model, at least for software engineering.
jsw97 1 hours ago [-]
If this gets 5.5 banned I am going to be hopping mad.
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cma 25 minutes ago [-]
They are saying that comparison to other models only about the problems it was jailbroken to complete in the government's example, not all vulnerabilities it could exploit unjailbroken.
xp84 35 minutes ago [-]
I haven’t seen anyone commenting on the difference between what the Government actually demanded vs what they did. They said no foreign nationals (regardless of location or residency). They actually didn’t say they couldn’t allow Americans to use it.
Now, we obviously know that without some kind of brand new ID check, such a thing would be impossible and thus they had to just shut it down. But this touches on the same kind of issue as all the noise about “for the children” ID checking. We might be soon to see the set of “things you’ll have to reveal your identity to the government to get,” expand from “just” porn and social media to the “good” AI models.
pmontra 1 minutes ago [-]
A US company paying for Fable with a US credit card could have non US nationals working for it, or be made of only non US nationals. How would Anthropic know? So they shut down the product.
On the All in Pod, Chamath Palihapitiya has also been pushing to require ID checks to use AI models. Free thinking and free speech are under attack.
rohansood15 23 minutes ago [-]
I mean, we all pay via CC so it's bit like they can't know who you are if they wanted to.
ivraatiems 17 minutes ago [-]
I think the key is that they also can't let Anthropic employees who are foreign nationals use it (e. g. overseas remote employees, people on H1-B visas or green cards, etc.)
That would probably make it very difficult to maintain and develop if there's even a small number of such employees, and I suspect Anthropic, who pays large sums of money for what they perceive as the best talent wherever they can find it, has quite a few.
hgoel 30 minutes ago [-]
Yeah, I'm expecting that Opus 4.8/5.5 tier will be the best models we have access to without having to provide more ID than just credit card info. If that happens, it'll end my brief stint of paying for these models instead of working within the bounds of local ones.
VeninVidiaVicii 26 minutes ago [-]
Yep. This is more about the Trump administration’s vehement anti-immigrant stance than anything.
Imnimo 58 minutes ago [-]
This is exactly what Dario asked for in his last blog post. So even though this is clearly stupid, I just can bring myself to feel sorry for Anthropic.
llelouch 22 minutes ago [-]
He asked for an independent body.
Imnimo 19 minutes ago [-]
No, he asked for the government to make the decision in light of 3rd party analysis. Which is what happened here - an independent company demonstrated a jailbreak, and the government issued a restriction on deployment based on that finding.
blackqueeriroh 32 minutes ago [-]
Please tell me how this is what he “asked for.”
Imnimo 27 minutes ago [-]
"The government should have the power to block or deter deployment of the model if it is determined, in light of third-party assessment, to present unacceptable risks."
simonw 55 minutes ago [-]
Anyone lost access yet? Fable is still working for me on https://claude.ai/ and in Claude Code.
kip_ 12 minutes ago [-]
I hadn't, but then 2.1.177 dropped in on auto-update and I assumed that was going to be the end of Fable for me, but I'm still on it. At least that's what the model picker is continuing to say along with the header.
Claude Code v2.1.177
Fable 5 with low effort · Claude Max
~/testing
steve_adams_86 53 minutes ago [-]
It appears to be working for me, but... Maybe it's silently degrading? It's hard to say.
Retr0id 43 minutes ago [-]
The fact that it's hard to say is funny, in contrast with the fanfare surrounding the launch of Fable.
greenavocado 35 minutes ago [-]
Fable is currently way below many other models in the rankings due to some sort of internal throttling https://aistupidlevel.info/
GPT-5.4 is currently the strongest model (this changes hourly)
Methodology leaves a lot to be desired in terms of understanding the tasks you've used. Being detailed about why they're more meaningful tests than the long horizon and coding tests used by other rankings is important.
False positives and poorly defined tasks/acceptance criteria have let some models have insanely inflated scores on bad benchmarks.
And sure, you can say they're not disclosed to prevent gaming, but if you're the only one who can review them then the might as well be a random number generator display with an unreadable UI.
greenavocado 23 minutes ago [-]
You're not wrong, but the scores track with my experience switching between the proposed top variants. So there's my unscientific "evidence."
nrmitchi 14 minutes ago [-]
I don't know how fast they reacted, but shortly after their documented time I started getting opus availability errors from fable requests, which seemed odd.
I'd also think that they would transparently degrade, just to prevent production outages for clients that are requesting Fable explicitly.
steve_adams_86 10 minutes ago [-]
I mean hard to say on such short notice because they can swap out models without any notice. In terms of performance, I'm not asking it to do anything crazy so I think results would be similar across both models.
It did just use a small harness to run docker compose with different envs and other settings to validate a very small change, so... Feels like Fable
re-thc 50 minutes ago [-]
> Maybe it's silently degrading? It's hard to say.
Opus 4.8 spams a lot more text. It'd be obvious.
danso 10 minutes ago [-]
I was using Fable to review my codebase and came back from the gym an hour later to find that I had suddenly used up my entire Max plan quota for the next 5 hours
(I have never had an agent do enough to burn up the 5 hour quota on Max)
guybedo 42 minutes ago [-]
ssshhhh don't tell anybody it's still working, i have some stuff to do :-)
EchoVoicy 9 minutes ago [-]
DELETE THIS
gs17 39 minutes ago [-]
It identifies as Fable 5 for me, but it could just be Opus with the Fable system prompt.
Tiberium 52 minutes ago [-]
I still also have access, so either they silently reroute Fable 5 to Opus 4.8 or hasn't actually pulled the switch yet.
SXX 50 minutes ago [-]
You'll never know. They'll just silently sabotage if you're foreign national.
whh 48 minutes ago [-]
No, still cracking on with a bug fix. Definitely feels like it's still Fable.
whh 28 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic has just reset usage limits.
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winterbourne 45 minutes ago [-]
Just turned off for me on Claude Code. Good while it lasted.
eranation 44 minutes ago [-]
Still works for me but I don't know if it's gaslighting me or not... fool me once situation here...
consumer451 48 minutes ago [-]
shush, lol
siddboots 24 minutes ago [-]
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nl 27 minutes ago [-]
Sovereign AI is about to get hot.
It's difficult to predict this administrations actions, but given it included employees that has to be a huge risk for Google, where Deepmind is based in London.
Cohere (Canada) and Mistral (France) are going to get a lot of interest.
dabinat 49 minutes ago [-]
Not allowing it to be used by any foreign national, from any country, even if they are located in the United States or an employee of Anthropic, seems overly broad and harsh. And all because of a seemingly minor potential jailbreak exploit. There’s something that doesn’t quite meet the eye here.
Polizeiposaune 32 minutes ago [-]
The scope of who is allowed to continue using it sounds like it is aligned with other US export controls (like ITAR and EAR).
csto12 46 minutes ago [-]
Yes, because this government is known for its subtlety…
DetroitThrow 23 minutes ago [-]
Unfortunately this is how export controls work. We don't let foreign researchers around national security parts of national labs, even if they work there, because it's simply the easiest security measure you can take. It doesn't mean it's a good outcome for researchers or research. It's insurance of US directed funds.
Tossrock 46 minutes ago [-]
Well, there is the lingering beef between the DoD and Anthropic. Knowing the overall level of maturity at the top levels of the US government, I'd take good odds on Mythos just being a good excuse for Hegseth & co. to lash out.
jordemort 1 hours ago [-]
Nothing but the highest quality drama and theater from Anthropic, as always
estearum 56 minutes ago [-]
Ah yes, the US government forcing private companies to stop selling their products is totally a sign of Anthropic's drama and not our paranoiac fascist regime.
this_user 40 minutes ago [-]
Anthropic spent months going on about how incredibly powerful and dangerous their models are and how access to them needs to be restricted. Now they are getting what they seemingly wanted.
enraged_camel 4 minutes ago [-]
Their claims about Mythos being powerful were corroborated by companies that were given access to it.
estearum 34 minutes ago [-]
Clearly they've assessed that the models they released are safe enough to release. Without a clear regulatory framework and Constitutional basis to overrule them, that is Anthropic's decision to make, and not the US government's.
It's disheartening how many people think the use of government power is justified or not based on the WWE smackdown drama they concoct in their own brain instead of, you know, the laws of our nation.
It is very dangerous for the government to be able to shut off services, regardless of whether their owners wrote some blog posts that rubbed you the wrong way.
ianm218 32 minutes ago [-]
So should we have more people behaving like Sam Altman and just lying about existential risks and anything else?
platinumrad 44 minutes ago [-]
It's both.
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swingboy 25 minutes ago [-]
Ironically, actual fascists wish Trump was as fascist as you all say he is.
estearum 19 minutes ago [-]
What's the irony of that? Hyperradical Islamists wish that radical Islamists were more radical, too.
And yes, the administration is hobbled (by design) by our institutions. But, as fascists do, they're doing their best to degrade those controls.
xp84 32 minutes ago [-]
Was Bill Clinton fascist when 128-bit SSL was on export controls? Can’t government be simply bad or dumb anymore without having to slap the “F” word on it?
We’re gonna apply it to so many things it’ll have lost its meaning soon.
SamLL 9 minutes ago [-]
Hello. I live in St. Paul, Minnesota. In January of this year my city was under hostile armed occupation. I volunteered for weeks packing boxes of food for people who were afraid to leave their houses because the masked secret police were ripping people off the streets with little regard for legality. Two of my neighbors were murdered by the secret police; a hundred of us sang hymns outside the local elementary school in 20 below weather. One of those murdered was my friend's coworker. The secret police agency has so far successfully opposed any attempt to bring the murderers to justice, and indeed was trying to bring legal charges against the families of the murder victims.
Which 'F' word do you think is appropriate to describe all this? Or has meaning already been lost?
Imagine thinking a person's political philosophy could be determined or disproven by a singular datapoint lmao
Everyone who has touched currency is a capitalist, everyone who has paid taxes is a commie, everyone who has regulated a technology is a fascist
Or perhaps... one must look at the full fact pattern of a person's behavior to approximate (and always imperfectly!) their political philosophy.
Hilarious
wewewedxfgdf 1 hours ago [-]
I guess if the CEO goes running around saying his own product is a pending mega disaster for society.......
I'm glad I don't own stock in a public Anthropic.
SXX 1 hours ago [-]
Thinking of it unfortunately there is good chance it exactly what they want for regulatory capture.
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gpm 46 minutes ago [-]
> The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees
There's no way they have the authority to actually order this and not just request this right? If crypto is speech... LLMs definitely are...
pixl97 38 minutes ago [-]
They do have the authority to do this, Anthropic has the ability to appeal it in court, up to the SCOTUS. Lord only knows what our crazy ass judges in that court will do though.
alberth 10 minutes ago [-]
US has banned export of cryptography. They are extending such claims for national security reason to AI model.
Doesn’t really matter - the government is given wide latitude by the judiciary in matters of national security. I also expect Anthropic will fight this in court if it lasts very long.
lend000 24 minutes ago [-]
We've been hearing about the risks of engineered viruses and homemade superweapons since GPT 3.5, so where are they? We've had abliterated open weights models much stronger than GPT 4 for over a year now.
It's been interesting seeing how OpenAI pops up to counter the threat of AGI being controlled by Google, and then OpenAI and every spinoff company from its employees has become a far larger threat to the public, for different reasons.
As much as it seems like Anthropic's self righteous leadership truly believes in what they're preaching, they've shown themselves to be tied for the worst stewards of this technology. Google actually seems like the best option to me, by far. Anthropic is also the only major lab with no open weights releases.
They'll have burned a lot of goodwill with the community by the time another lab takes the tech lead, which I guarantee will happen.
agnishom 6 minutes ago [-]
Which arm of the "US government"? What legal framework allows them to issue such a directive?
CompoundEyes 45 minutes ago [-]
It says this happened at 5:21 EST today…
The page showed June 11, 2026 and has now been updated to June 12, 2026 in the last 10m.
> Google shows that the page was crawled a few days ago.
That's the release blog post. Google is likely pulling the snippet from the Related Content section at the bottom, which includes the post about the US government directive.
deaux 30 minutes ago [-]
> Google shows that the page was crawled a few days ago.
Where'd you get this info? The imgur is the weakest thing one could've screenshotted. At least use archive.today or screenshot the evidence that Google crawled it.
CompoundEyes 22 minutes ago [-]
Was watching theo t3.gg live stream a bit ago and the Anthropic tweet came up there searched and I snapped it on my iPad :shrug:
MallocVoidstar 16 minutes ago [-]
Google shows completely wrong timestamps all the time. I'm pretty sure they just randomly grab vaguely date-like text from pages and declare it the date the page was created.
UqWBcuFx6NV4r 9 minutes ago [-]
You are so desperate to prove some sort of conspiracy that you’re throwing all critical thinking out the window.
Waterluvian 5 minutes ago [-]
What exactly is the specific risk here? Like is this just a fuzzy “oh it’s too powerful…” or are there very specific bad things actors can do with a “jailbroken” interface with the model?
consumer451 1 hours ago [-]
> The US government, citing national security authorities, has issued an export control directive to suspend all access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5 by any foreign national, whether inside or outside the United States, including foreign national Anthropic employees. The net effect of this order is that we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers to ensure compliance.
How will this be implemented/verified? Also, does this mean that American citizens abroad will still be able to access it?
Sanzig 5 minutes ago [-]
It'll depend on what law they're restricting it under. The obvious play would be to put it on the Commerce Control List so it's covered by the EAR (Export Administration Regulations). If so, compliance is pretty well-understood, just a giant pain in the ass that'll pretty much limit use of these models to companies that already have EAR/ITAR compliance offices.
wrs 56 minutes ago [-]
It can’t be; that’s why they shut it off for everybody.
axus 47 minutes ago [-]
Except for the US Government.
We can cancel all those data center plans, won't need them anymore.
pizzly 22 minutes ago [-]
Easy. Provide your government issued ID such as US passport before signing up to an AI provider. Issue fines or jail time to anyone who supplies their AI access to a foreign citizen
DANmode 54 minutes ago [-]
> we must abruptly disable Fable 5 and Mythos 5 for all our customers
What’s not clear?
consumer451 46 minutes ago [-]
Oh, I just re-read it. I guess the first time my mind somehow implied "while we figure out how to comply..."
xpct 6 minutes ago [-]
Jokes on you, we're releasing the new, 'more efficient', 'less intelligent', Capybara 5 model. It's been 'reprogrammed' to only score 49.8% on the 'PyTorch basics' benchmark!
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iandanforth 53 minutes ago [-]
"We received the directive from the government today at 5:21pm (ET)"
This sounds exactly like the opening line from an apocalyptic sci-fi film.
tmp10423288442 14 minutes ago [-]
Europe 2031[0] imagined something like this would happen, but thought it would take a few years. AGI ahead of schedule
Too late, NK already completed all the markdown files needed to both create their hypernuke and recreate the hurricane machine Dick Cheney had left Obama.
tarxvf 3 minutes ago [-]
Oh look, Anthropic now has a reason to conduct age verification.
Great.
Folcon 2 minutes ago [-]
I'm confused? Do they need this? They have our credit cards, that's fully KYCable
What access to Fable 5? I don’t think I ever had a prompt not get flagged and routed, and there was nothing in any of them even in the realm of a safety issue.
VeninVidiaVicii 9 minutes ago [-]
Hah. I assume by your name you work in genetics or a related field. I feel your pain; I do data engineering for genomics platforms. Just because the comments in my code have comments with gene names and such, Fable completely refused to perform any work on my codebase, even creating data visualization tools.
easton 42 minutes ago [-]
A company with different taste would redo that apple ad from the Power Mac era: “this model has been classified a munition”.
I'm surprised that (all) these models haven't been export controlled already. Relatively benign software like VMware is export controlled or even hobbyist radio projects have gotten hairy with ITAR.
But a model that can provide general information, research, or source code for most modern technology?
It is really unusual that this is the first notice of this
patrickaljord 40 minutes ago [-]
it already blocks users from Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Russia etc
cxmcc 5 minutes ago [-]
Too bad, I have to go back to using Opus for centering my divs.
0xbadcafebee 16 minutes ago [-]
Theory: Certain USG employees are going after Anthropic because they (or someone they know) has a financial stake in OpenAI. OpenAI has made the same claims, and months ago released "dangerous" security-analyzing models which "need limits", but USG never punished them for it.
Additional theory: Altman is behind it.
hereme888 39 minutes ago [-]
What does jailbreaking have to do with nationality? So Americans can jailbreak it, but others can't?
Sounds like they only want Americans to access SOTA AI.
jofzar 7 minutes ago [-]
I mean yes? It's the American government, and that's how us export controls work?
analogpixel 32 minutes ago [-]
So the white house likes to do a lot of things they don't actually have authority to do, so the next question is if they don't have the authority to do this, can Anthropic sue for damages for not only tokens people were not able to spend, but also market share lost to the setback?
gmerc 35 minutes ago [-]
Looks like a back door attempt to force KYC (foreign nationals, lol) to prepare for more discrimination in the digital space with a side effect to benefit Peter Thiels ventures and shovel more data into Palantir for use in the upcoming midterm push.
Digital yellow star by exclusion from digital life for foreigners.
Remember when tech companies would go to court to vigorously defend against infringement of their and their customers rights? Turns out that’s just a feature of democracy, once you have autocrats it’s all compliance.
Anthropic just baited themselves with their scaremongering to be the attack vector here.
deaux 23 minutes ago [-]
KYC angle seems most likely from the US side. If only it was just to benefit Thiel's ventures though, then the issue would be solvable. Unfortunately _everyone_ currently in power, i.e. the whole oligarchy, wants this. Even if Thiel and his companies disappeared tomorrow, they'd keep pushing until they get it through.
abidlabs 45 minutes ago [-]
Interesting to see Anthropic now downplaying the new vulnerabilities that Mythos discovered:
> We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass
Tiberium 44 minutes ago [-]
I think what they're saying is that this prompt/jailbreak only lets Mythos discover some really easy vulnerabilities that it probably fixes from a simple "Find and fix bugs in this code" and that this can be easily done by other models like GPT-5.5. Which is very different from targeted security research.
chatmasta 12 minutes ago [-]
But it’s not that different from the whole premise of their red team scaremongering which was “we pointed the model at a source file and told it to find an exploit.”
bonsai_spool 9 minutes ago [-]
> Interesting to see Anthropic now downplaying the new vulnerabilities that Mythos discovered:
That is absolutely NOT what is being said there.
They are referring to a very specific thing that you must have clearly seen and chosen to ignore—a jailbreak for LLMs that is used on other models and to some effect with Fable 5.
cespare 40 minutes ago [-]
AFAICT this is not talking about Glasswing stuff. They are saying that they were sent a demonstration of Fable 5 being used/abused in some specific way that led to the "discovery" of some minor, already-known vuln, and that other models can find it too. IOW, they're claiming that the USG's complaint is baseless and dumb.
siliconc0w 32 minutes ago [-]
I wonder if this is specific to the animus toward anthropic or if this is the new industry wide level cap. Seems like a pretty big problem for the AI market in general, a lot this investment is predicated on better and better models.
jsw97 55 minutes ago [-]
If USG bans these models, what is the game plan wrt Chinese models? Will they also ban these (and how, esp open source)? And if not, how is this not throwing the ball game to China? There is no top-down control without international cooperation which, let’s face it, is not happening.
Another interpretation, of course, is that this is just US putting a thumb on the scale for US competitors around IPO time. It will be interesting to see if there are any fingerprints.
taurath 55 minutes ago [-]
It’s like a ghost story that everyone has decided is real. Lets hope our vibe government and vibe society and vibe president don’t get prompt injected
blooalien 25 minutes ago [-]
> "Lets hope our vibe government and vibe society and vibe president don’t get prompt injected"
Haven't they/we already, or am I just not interpreting the last decade or so of growing widespread insanity correctly?
avaer 39 minutes ago [-]
Is it crazy to speculate if this ~a CEO calling up the government to ask for a solid?
adriand 58 minutes ago [-]
On the plus side, it’s Friday night. Hopefully this is sorted out by Monday morning.
chatmasta 44 minutes ago [-]
It’ll be sorted out after OpenAI releases their next model.
darkteflon 24 minutes ago [-]
This is going to be tectonic. Any business relying on US models and compute is going to have a busy week.
csto12 58 minutes ago [-]
Someone forgot to cut a check to the Big Guy :^)
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stevefan1999 16 minutes ago [-]
So are you going to restrict access to Fable by another KYC scheme but this time prove that you are US citizen first amirite
tapoxi 49 minutes ago [-]
Part of me thinks fault lies with Anthropic for scaremongering, part has zero faith in the current administration especially after the "supply chain risk" designation.
It may be safer to just move the company to Canada.
cdwhite 18 minutes ago [-]
Are there any statements from figures in the US Government? A Truth Social post? X posts from, idk, David Sacks?
nova22033 19 minutes ago [-]
This is a gift to Anthropic. Our model is so good the US government banned it...Oh, and we're doing an IPO soon.
recursivedoubts 1 hours ago [-]
May you live in interesting times.
AndrewKemendo 1 hours ago [-]
Great time to remind people that this is meant to be a curse
Glad I clicked that Wikipedia link! Chinese curse... I'd always been told it was an old Bedouin curse. Learn somethin' new every day (still to this day, and every new day until I become physically incapable of learning).
AndrewKemendo 30 minutes ago [-]
For years I had heard it was an Arab curse, which is partly why I’m sharing.
jeanlucas 28 minutes ago [-]
And I got it as a Roman curse (or from Roman times). That is common with old sayings.
Down the rabbit-hole with me now to discover who said it first... LOL!
(Edit: Proving to be a fruitless quest thus far. Nobody seems to know.)
paulmist 31 minutes ago [-]
I do agree with the skepticism in this thread. But, if we assume Fable/Mythos really are that good (=easy to misuse) and thep keep getting better, what similar responses (signals) would you expect to see going forwards?
xpct 17 minutes ago [-]
Likely more surveillance when it comes to electricity expenditure.
holistio 34 minutes ago [-]
Fellow Europeans: we must build.
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adityamwagh 48 minutes ago [-]
I was about to upgrade from Pro plan to the Max plan today because I had a really positive experience with Fable 5. Glad I didn't!
garg 45 minutes ago [-]
Isn't this exactly what Dario wanted?
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kingstnap 59 minutes ago [-]
Highly reliable supply chains to bet the entire future on :)
2001zhaozhao 31 minutes ago [-]
Thousands of Anthropic employees believing they just finished putting out fires related to Fable this week and finally won't be on call for this weekend:
fabled-out 7 minutes ago [-]
Wow this is wild...but I guess it makes sense now why they had such an overly sensitive on Fable usage before. Perhaps they were already in a back-and-forth with the Trump admin about the Fable/Mythos release and what safeguards are needed.
talesfromearth 2 minutes ago [-]
I'm so sick of all this Anthropic drama.
xbmcuser 23 minutes ago [-]
Well looks like USA 3 letter agencies are worried about all their backdoor getting closed
left-struck 1 hours ago [-]
I have to wonder if their aggressive guardrails were because they had a specific reason to believe that this was coming.
torben-friis 52 minutes ago [-]
It was literally three days ago that I was commenting the possibility of non Americans receiving worse code.
There we go. This should make nations consider whether they're letting their workforces become dependent on foreign tools, but of course they won't.
itkovian_ 53 minutes ago [-]
What are the odds this is partially them making the point; you were all complaining about monitoring/access/safeguards: remember we don’t have to give this to you at all. And using a us gov letter as justification for that.
itkovian_ 46 minutes ago [-]
People forget the people in charge of these companies are some of the smartest people out there full stop. Far more shadowy strategy/things like this going on than people think.
tmpz22 7 minutes ago [-]
Lol just meet one of them. Not at a curated product launch. You’ll never think of them as smart again.
blackqueeriroh 28 minutes ago [-]
Lmao this is one of the funniest things I’ve ever heard. Who? Elon Musk? No. Sam Altman? Laughable. Dario Amadei? Above-average, maybe.
The people who are the smartest people full stop aren’t the leaders of these companies - they’re the people you never meet, who are working in the research department, begging not to be promoted into management.
I'm confused, this just happened recent no? Why does the date read "Jun 11, 2026" ?
wxw 30 minutes ago [-]
This is all great for marketing.
kakugawa 45 minutes ago [-]
So, how is it being disabled? It still shows "Fable 5" on all surfaces (to me). Is it being silently degraded to Opus under-the-hood?
sponnath 26 minutes ago [-]
I think it's being silently downgraded. Can't tell for sure.
chrismsimpson 1 hours ago [-]
My agitating prayer is that other nations (even so called US allies) will nationalise what they can (ie model weights already deployed within their jurisdictions). This is the only way to respond to a rogue US administration.
xpct 13 minutes ago [-]
I've actually not thought about deployments in remote jurisdictions that much. I also don't think the models are dangerous enough to warrant it, but do you reckon the big labs have plans thought out for deleting remote model copies, such that they couldn't be scrubbed off cold NVMEs?
JumpCrisscross 55 minutes ago [-]
> other nations will nationalise what they can
The only other relevant players are France and China.
chrismsimpson 52 minutes ago [-]
Anyone with these model weights deployed in their territory has this tool in their arsenal.
ryanSrich 4 minutes ago [-]
So the moral of the story is, don't build a frontier model in the US. Got it.
pnathan 52 minutes ago [-]
(1) personally very annoying. I have been using fable to try to collect cutting edge math in one area and work on a hopefully new result with lean verification.
(2) I am really tired of the AI community trying to threaten everyone with grey goo and finding out the hype doesn't land comfy with others. It's a freaking text generator, not god in a pocket.
morpheos137 11 minutes ago [-]
it is text generator. just like an interactive library or smaet search engine. if we dont ban books on cryptography putting this under ITAR is rather absurd. Anthying these models train on is already public or accessible information. They just collect and link it together dynamically. Whats next wikipedia is ITAR. However thisnreuskt is expected when you got rationalist kooks (cf Dario Amodei) marketing the "singularity" religion.
anishgupta 28 minutes ago [-]
just on the basis of narrow jailbreak window?
At this point it may be all for marketing, an opus 4.8 would be more powerful for specialized task than vanilla fable5
TIPSIO 1 hours ago [-]
Really sick of this stupid narrative.
The most ethical goal of an AI lab or government should be to bring the maximum amount of intelligence for as cheap as possible to the people equally.
procone 55 minutes ago [-]
Agreed 100%. I don't understand why we have to fear access to knowledge.
ajyoon 53 minutes ago [-]
AI is dual use technology. This kind of posture is simply not tenable as frontier intelligence increases.
chatmasta 43 minutes ago [-]
So are guns, which we constitutionally protected. In fact there’s probably a decent argument that AI should fall under 2nd amendment protection.
ajyoon 1 minutes ago [-]
Is your legal theory that any technology which is dangerous should be protected under the second amendment, simply because it is dangerous?
ern 18 minutes ago [-]
Don’t legally serious second Amendment supporters regard “arms” as things that can be carried, and are evolved from/analogous to their 18th century hand-carried guns?
It would be hard to classify AI (or tanks, artillery, missiles, aircraft) as “arms” that can be “borne” in that sense.
lovich 55 minutes ago [-]
Prefacing that I assume this order is done with ill intent, and would guess that it’s based on Anthropic not bending the knee immediately like OpenAI did.
But your statement could be rephrased as
> The most ethical goal of a weapons manufacturer or government should be to bring the maximum number of nuclear weapons for as cheap as possible to the people equally.
Making sure everyone is a strapped as possible only makes sense to the type of libertarians who salivate at the idea of shooting someone who steps on their property to deliver a letter
TIPSIO 35 minutes ago [-]
This is obviously a super corny / silly / dramatic thing to say.
lovich 8 minutes ago [-]
What I said or what you said?
If it’s the latter then I missed the joke. If it’s the former I think you’re incorrect.
swingboy 34 minutes ago [-]
Same model that costs $12 in tokens to finally add “overflow-x: hidden;” to an element, by the way.
I guess they’ll just have to put the weights into a book format and publish the physical copies
siva7 43 minutes ago [-]
Ok, so why can i still access fable? Did they forgot to pull the cable?
Tiberium 41 minutes ago [-]
Probably silently rerouting?
neutrinobro 54 minutes ago [-]
Good thing I just maxed out my weekly usage limit at 5:10pm on my cheapo $20/mo plan.
halyconWays 12 minutes ago [-]
So the US government wants Anthropic to require IDs from their users, driving them to over platforms, but won't require this from OpenAI?
henry2023 34 minutes ago [-]
> If this standard was applied across the industry, we believe it would essentially halt all new model deployments for all frontier model providers.
But what about the pelicans ?
JumpCrisscross 1 hours ago [-]
Who in government? Link to the order?
matheusmoreira 39 minutes ago [-]
Yep. Time to explore the chinese open source models.
eqmvii 50 minutes ago [-]
I give it until Tuesday at the latest until it's accessible again.
jvanderbot 47 minutes ago [-]
This is a continuation of the clapback from DoW kerfluffle right?
davesque 21 minutes ago [-]
I like to think that the long arc of history bends towards greater access to knowledge and intelligence. I mean, isn't that what we all want? To be collectively less ignorant and more aware of how the world works? But I guess that's not what the US gov wants. Crazy times, truly. The mask is really coming off lately.
ihaveajob 56 minutes ago [-]
Well, I'm glad I used all my tokens earlier today... It was a good run.
singripal 56 minutes ago [-]
Same day as the SpaceX IPO
LogicFailsMe 11 minutes ago [-]
Or this is Trump's gift to Elon on the day of his big IPO, only semi-joking.
fnordpiglet 44 minutes ago [-]
Thanks, Obama!
(Ok gotta spend my upvote points somewhere)
thrill 11 minutes ago [-]
Typical admin move here - give our foreign competitors as much time to catch up as possible.
lostmsu 17 minutes ago [-]
Download the open weight models while you can
yogthos 34 minutes ago [-]
A fantastic move to ensure the rest of the world keeps using Chinese models.
nickhodge 20 minutes ago [-]
Well, kids, it looks like we're back to closing those tickets the old fashioned way.
By thinking for ourselves and writing the code with the keyboard.
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ks2048 18 minutes ago [-]
Trump must have run his extensive test suite and carefully weighted the dangers vs the legal implications.
real0mar 50 minutes ago [-]
Finally, they face consequences for their IPO pump fear mongering rhetoric
whh 56 minutes ago [-]
Interestingly, I am yet to lose access.
hendersoon 49 minutes ago [-]
No actual proof of any kind. Obviously a petulant attack on Anthropic.
arplynn 1 hours ago [-]
US Government does bizarre, erratic thing which will likely be walked back shortly. Spectators nonplussed. Film at 11.
Europe really needs to get some useful sovereign capability and right quick.
operatingthetan 1 hours ago [-]
>which will likely be walked back shortly.
Well you said it yourself they are erratic, so maybe?
joe_the_user 1 hours ago [-]
So eventually, you will have a massive string of data centers working to full capacity and whose only client will the US government?
rvz 1 hours ago [-]
So the US government was able to shut down that upgraded version of that slot machine in Anthropic's casino because of how powerful it is?
There is something called the Streisand effect and they are about to unintentionally get a bunch of more token gamblers into their casino.
We'll see if this backfires hard, but then again constant doomsaying will get yourself under scrutiny and self exclusion (due to the 30+ day retention clause) and this is exactly what Anthropic wants for free marketing.
llm_nerd 47 minutes ago [-]
This administration is spectacularly corrupt (take a look at what is happening with the Gordie Howe bridge -- the entire government is beholden to billionaires if they just pad some pockets), so odds favour that OpenAI called some of their employees in government, looking to kneecap a competitor. They didn't make all of those massive donations for nothing.
tehjoker 1 hours ago [-]
If I read that right, the "jailbreak" is to ask the model to fix the codebase and then it exposes the flaws? That sounds like a gap that is nearly impossible to fix while retaining high capability. Like you want it to be able to fix your codebase...
GreenSalem 58 minutes ago [-]
MAGA madness strikes again ..
tamimio 32 minutes ago [-]
So scare tactics on losing jobs and ending all white collar ones is fine and ok and advertised everywhere, but scare tactics about software vulnerabilities is not and forbidden, got it!
aussieguy1234 33 minutes ago [-]
While I'm always skeptical of the claims of AI companies and have been skeptical of Anthropics claims about the dangers of their Mythos model, the fact that the US government is taking this seriously enough to send this type of order is strong evidence in their favor.
throw3421 42 minutes ago [-]
Stupid government run by warmongers
jimkleiber 31 minutes ago [-]
How much of this is the dangers of the technology vs the dangers of saying no to the Trump administration?
CamperBob2 6 minutes ago [-]
>As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
Dario, yesterday: "I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action."
Trump, today: Further action
Dario: "Waaaah! This petard I asked President Trump for hoisted my ass halfway to the Moon! Nobody warned me he'd do something like this! No fairrrr!"
nphard85 1 hours ago [-]
Will there be refund?
songbird23 59 minutes ago [-]
refund for the tokens you already spent via the API or the $200 max that didnt really change?
valleyer 22 minutes ago [-]
Refund for the subscription I started after the announcement of Fable.
nphard85 21 minutes ago [-]
exactly
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pixelpoet 10 minutes ago [-]
Already got my refund, at least that was quick.
OsrsNeedsf2P 47 minutes ago [-]
I for one look forwards to our Minimax, Qwen, Kimi, GLM, and Deepseek overlords
catigula 40 minutes ago [-]
Begun, the AI wars have.
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engineer_22 47 minutes ago [-]
> We suspect that perfect jailbreak resistance is not currently possible for any model provider. Every safeguard used in the industry is vulnerable to non-universal jailbreaks (which can elicit some cyber information in specific circumstances), and it is likely that universal jailbreaks will eventually be found in the future.
Laying the groundwork to limit access to high capability models
EduardoBautista 1 hours ago [-]
Well maybe now they will learn that they shouldn’t overhype the capabilities of their models.
cobbal 59 minutes ago [-]
Sadly, I suspect this will be the best piece of marketing they could ever hope for. "It's so advanced the government made us add extra security* to stop hackers!"
*(ask it in a more stern voice)
blooalien 42 minutes ago [-]
> * (ask it in a more stern voice)
Surprisingly, I've found this works shockingly well (along with any plausible-sounding reason why it was wrong of the model to refuse) to "jailbreak" many models I've played with thus far. They're all just so eager to please...
guybedo 43 minutes ago [-]
one more reason for Europe to (try to) move away from US companies.
Although it's gonna be more difficult to come up with a Fable competitor than a m365 one
etchalon 14 minutes ago [-]
Just petty bullshit from a petty, bullshit administration
selimonder 27 minutes ago [-]
Why Nations Fail? Lol
brookst 1 hours ago [-]
Most corrupt US administration in history, by a long shot.
Wonder how many US-based early-stage startups are using Opus to research incorporating and moving overseas at this very moment.
EU isn’t tenable, UK is iffy. Australia? Thailand? Who wants to be innovation-friendly?
tokengod 29 minutes ago [-]
This is horseshit
dmitrygr 1 hours ago [-]
1. Lie about making thinking machines smarter than humans
2. Get treated like you actually did what you claimed, and face consequences
3. ???
4. Profit
varispeed 52 minutes ago [-]
Did Trump write this personally?
> In fact, our safeguards are so strong that many users have complained that they are overly broad.
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eis 57 minutes ago [-]
I already gave up on Fable 5 because it sometimes was just not worth the editional price compared to Opus 4.8 and other times it flat out downgraded to Opus anyways for no good reason because it thought I'm looking for security vulnerability while working on the auth part of my app. In our company Fable 5 is not enabled because of the change in data retention being required.
And now this. How would they even enforce this restriction when they can't know what nationality the end user behind some API query belonging to a company account has? It seems like nobody is thinking things through anymore and the end result is total unreliability from every angle. What a huge mess all of it, sigh.
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dramaqueens 1 hours ago [-]
Nice drama, LOL!! I still remember ChatGPT is very dangerous to be released a long time back. World is fine now!!
left-struck 59 minutes ago [-]
Is it fine though? We’re definitely seeing some huge negative impacts from AI use. Of course some positive ones as well, but the point is that they were right to be concerned.
tehjoker 1 hours ago [-]
Not really, the impacts on education seem to be severe. People are actively getting dumber.
SXX 56 minutes ago [-]
People getting dumber it exactly what any government wants.
andrekandre 53 minutes ago [-]
i got news for you, its not just in education; output in business world is also getting sloppier and lazier as well
wewewedxfgdf 44 minutes ago [-]
Just in case you need evidence for the need of AI/LLM sovereignty.
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Now they finally found the right fools in audience to believe it.
As someone not using the technology, I'm fine with that :) Intellectual property laundering was never a good thing. Glad we can begone with it.
It just means the government decides who gets to profit off of laundered IP, which is arguably even worse.
Everyone? There's worlds outside of the United States government overreach.
> To date, the government has only given us verbal evidence of a potential narrow, non-universal jailbreak, which essentially consists of asking the model to read a specific codebase and fix any software flaws. Our understanding is that one potential jailbreak was shared with the government. We have reviewed the report and validated that the level of capability displayed there is widely available from other models (including OpenAI’s GPT-5.5), and is used every day by the defenders who keep systems safe.
Is this Dario leveraging it into a ban on open models?
OpenAI's models are very good, they have refusals + a government ID verification story for cyber access (I don't think they prevent non-US nationals, but I don't know this). What they don't have is Project Glasswing and all the hand wringing about how they're going to end the world in public.
I hope Anthropic pulls their head out of their ass and just starts acting like a normal company.
https://www.npr.org/2026/03/09/nx-s1-5742548/anthropic-penta...
It'll be "resolved" within a few days.
> As we have stated publicly, we believe the government should have the ability to block unsafe deployments, as part of a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles.
They ultimately got what they wanted.
No, it's not what they wanted. As it says in your quote, they wanted "a statutory process that is transparent, fair, clear, and grounded in technical facts. This action does not adhere to those principles."
Now we are getting reactive, arbitrary and capricious enforcement; rules rushed out the door; classified evals. The worst of both worlds.
They got what they claim they wanted for PR purposes. Like when a billionaire says they should be taxed more, or when Sam Altman says the public should get some of that AI wealth.
But they never thought it would actually happen.
Oops.
I wouldn’t the surprised if all this were actually orchestrated, it all seems too convenient.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAuG7_acmdA
What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering. Like is it a “Non-US Citizen”? Do US citizens abroad count?
The following quoted text is from the Definitions section of 8 USC § 1101, which is reproduced at [0]. (Though, you will probably have to scroll up a bit to be able to read subsection (a)(21), which is the thing I'm linking to.)
From this, it's fairly clear that a "foreign national" is someone owing permanent allegiance to a foreign (that is, non-US) state. What's not immediately clear to me is whether a US citizen can also be a "foreign national", [1] and how that would affect access to things from which foreign nationals are barred. [2][0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101#a_21
[1] I think they can be.
[2] I'm very uncertain.
Unfortunately there also a possibility this what they intentionally wanted to try regulatory capture to get rid of competitors.
You see the state of the country and you think it’s a nefarious master plan instead of a bunch of opportunistic people taking advantage of an overworked, overstimulated populace who forget to vote or believe stupid slogans on TV.
Nobody is doing this intentionally. Have you not paid attention to how quickly idiot stuff gets found out????
Over worked and over stimulated is the intentional method and means these people well aware of the neurological consequences rely on
Anthropic is calling for regulation. For example they endorsed CA SB-53 that even OpenAI and Google thought was too much: https://www.anthropic.com/news/anthropic-is-endorsing-sb-53
They have spoken publicly about how they want open models banned (they call them Chinese models).
They might not want this specific action, but they do want regulation on their own terms. That really is regulatory capture.
> Nobody is doing this intentionally. Have you not paid attention to how quickly idiot stuff gets found out
They don't think is is "idiot stuff" - they are doing it openly and shouting to everyone who will listen! Read Dario's latest essay[1]:
> Many policymakers are showing increased openness to taking action, and it's been encouraging to see our peers come around to the same positions we've been advocating for over the past few years.
[snip]
> Thus, in 2025, Anthropic supported transparency legislation, helping to pass SB 53 in California, RAISE in NY, SB 315 in Illinois (in early 2026), and advocating for a transparency standard at the federal level.
[snip]
> It is time to go beyond transparency to more serious and binding regulation of AI.
> I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action.
> The government should have the power to block or deter deployment of the model if it is determined, in light of third-party assessment, to present unacceptable risks.
I'm not sure why you think they don't want to be "found out"!
Whenever I hear some octogenarian senator babble about the evils of distillation I assume Amodei (or maybe Altman) fed them the script, word for word.
Do you really not think that people like Elon Musk, Sam Altman, and Dario Amodei angle for regulatory capture? It happens in every other industry, from automobiles to tax preparation software. Why do you think that AI is any different?
Thats incredibly infuriating to hear someone say.
Obviously no one is absolute control of everything but physics is essentially shows nothing other than information determinism. There has to have been a thought of intention in the minds of these people as they play in the largest arena publicly.
"No one is doing it intentionally because I think theyre dumber then I think other people think they are"
"They're taking advantage of people intentionally"
"People dont have political power to do anything about their victory laps"
I mean, better safe than sorry, right Dario?
You simply cannot apply any sort of actual logic to the reasoning of the current U.S. government's actions... They just "do stuff" because they feel like it, with no clear thought whatsoever of any potential consequences that may occur.
Yes, there is a gap between "taking a stake" and nationalizing one, but..
[1] https://www.reuters.com/business/trump-says-his-team-will-lo...
This is how the UK government got the banks through the 2008 financial crisis.
AI is a national security issue. Best accept that as fact, or you won't see it coming.
I think David Sacks is right, if you are saying you are building nuclear bombs, then prepared to be regulated like one.
There is no eating it while having it
There is /so/ much stuff on the internet that just needed someone to spend enough time on it.
It might be a national security problem for other nations to have access to these models. But it's equally now a national security problem for any other nation to depend on them. Or US tech in general.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48510010
Don't get me wrong, I use it, it's fast-smart-and affordable. But not suitable for all tasks.
And potentially more importantly: if a model like Mythos, which at best is an incremental improvement over Opus, is getting this treatment, how are all the AI investments that are based on the expectation of ASI / AGI / significantly better models going to be recouped?
I suspect if OpenAI or Grok was operating at the same level they wouldn’t find themselves on the sharp end of the government stick
IF LLMs are THAT dangerous and powerful (and that's a huge if that I do not currently subscribe to), then no, no one should have access at all, there is no group of people in positions of power (government or corporate power) that I would consider "restrained"
Otherwise the nominal reason seems entirely plausible. Anthropic warns of the model, releases with safeguards, and US says those have been bypassed.
ChatGPT 2 was once too powerful to release.
AI has been moving faster than culture and thinking around it. Once we've adapted to what these models can do we'll relax a little, and then a new stepwise improvement will start it all over again. It always goes this way.
I'm sure if proprietary models continue to be a big thing, the methodology of their storage and loading on hardware will be obfuscated quite a bit.
Businesses will gladly pay it.
Individuals will be locked out and unable to compete.
Oracle will be able to "prompt a new smartphone" for $500M or whatever and enter the market to compete with Apple and Google. You and I can't afford that and won't be able to compete.
Hyperscalers will hyper scale even faster.
They'll port Linux to Rust, remove the GPL, and have all kinds of new entirely proprietary OSes. They'll be attested, signed, and gradually we'll lose open hardware. Thin clients with binary blobs, highly encrypted, no control, only leased to us.
Within a generation nobody will be able to program or own devices that can program.
That's the scary scenario.
95% odds this gets reversed by Monday morning is why
Same as the new bridge between Windsor and Detroit can't open until some palms are greased.
Chaos is a ladder, gotta keep climbing
What an unbelievable claim. Especially since the vast majority of publicly available benchmarks disagree.
This is the result of the American style spectacle around LLMs. Just that this time backfired.
The base intelligence does not feel much greater to me.
No one's going to risk building anything important on these models if the government will randomly order the use of the model to be discontinued by all foreigners, regardless of if they are in the US or not. Just a matter of a foreign company catching up to take the commercial market for such models (though, as the US often does, they'll ban the competitor, so actually we'll have a situation where the backend uses a different model in only the US).
A related thought though, the AI boom is predicated on the idea that everyone's going to want or need all this "mass produced" intelligence. But what happens to that when you go from being able to claim to have a total market size of ~8B people, to ~400M peoole? I think the reason to push ahead at any cost evaporates.
> We received the directive from the government today at 5:21pm (ET). The letter did not provide specific details of its national security concern. Our understanding is that the government believes it has become aware of a method of bypassing, or “jailbreaking” Fable 5. We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass.
If every time a jailbreak is discovered, the model has to be turned off and jailbreak prevention updated, the effect will be the same regarding how willing users are to adopt it.
this cleaving of the us from good relations with other people is sold as a consolidation of strength. Made from a position of baseless hypernationalism, its just going to make the US much less relevant on the world stage.
beautiful good bye, for now
I'd agree except that Big AI has made sure that most of us can't afford the hardware (RAM, NVMe, etc) to run it.
Some will take greater risks and win (or lose); others will play it safer and slowly accumulate wins (or be obsoleted).
Never mind the threat of letting these models write code that runs your business, or operate it agentically. Models trained by actors (corporate or nationstate) diametrically opposed to your interests.
Lots to take into account now, interesting time to be in business.
And infrastructure dominance is really the big picture here. Chinese models are going to become the standard setters because they're going to be what people are using. That means more research, more tooling, and a whole ecosystem developing around them.
And that was already starting to happen even before this fiasco with Chinese models now being the most used ones globally. https://www.indiatoday.in/amp/technology/features/story/clau...
https://turbulence.substack.com/p/the-gated-age
Especially if those people aren't presently very bright, and are already mad at you for not helping them achieve their unrelated authoritarian goals.
I do not think this is somehow a 3D chess move by Anthropic. They are not masterminds, even if they'd really like to be. People who actually interact with their products know that Fable and Mythos are incremental improvements, not doomsday devices. I think this is a punitive move by an administration that loves being punitive, which they have unknowingly bolstered with their own dumb rhetoric.
So much for all of the rhetoric about Mythos supposedly far surpassing GPT 5.5 (edit: in cybersecurity, in particular). Of course, the AISI benchmarks also showed this, but it is amusing that Anthropic is saying it now that it is to their advantage.
Now, we obviously know that without some kind of brand new ID check, such a thing would be impossible and thus they had to just shut it down. But this touches on the same kind of issue as all the noise about “for the children” ID checking. We might be soon to see the set of “things you’ll have to reveal your identity to the government to get,” expand from “just” porn and social media to the “good” AI models.
On the All in Pod, Chamath Palihapitiya has also been pushing to require ID checks to use AI models. Free thinking and free speech are under attack.
That would probably make it very difficult to maintain and develop if there's even a small number of such employees, and I suspect Anthropic, who pays large sums of money for what they perceive as the best talent wherever they can find it, has quite a few.
GPT-5.4 is currently the strongest model (this changes hourly)
Methodology: https://aistupidlevel.info/faq#methodology
False positives and poorly defined tasks/acceptance criteria have let some models have insanely inflated scores on bad benchmarks.
And sure, you can say they're not disclosed to prevent gaming, but if you're the only one who can review them then the might as well be a random number generator display with an unreadable UI.
I'd also think that they would transparently degrade, just to prevent production outages for clients that are requesting Fable explicitly.
It did just use a small harness to run docker compose with different envs and other settings to validate a very small change, so... Feels like Fable
Opus 4.8 spams a lot more text. It'd be obvious.
(I have never had an agent do enough to burn up the 5 hour quota on Max)
It's difficult to predict this administrations actions, but given it included employees that has to be a huge risk for Google, where Deepmind is based in London.
Cohere (Canada) and Mistral (France) are going to get a lot of interest.
It's disheartening how many people think the use of government power is justified or not based on the WWE smackdown drama they concoct in their own brain instead of, you know, the laws of our nation.
It is very dangerous for the government to be able to shut off services, regardless of whether their owners wrote some blog posts that rubbed you the wrong way.
And yes, the administration is hobbled (by design) by our institutions. But, as fascists do, they're doing their best to degrade those controls.
We’re gonna apply it to so many things it’ll have lost its meaning soon.
Which 'F' word do you think is appropriate to describe all this? Or has meaning already been lost?
https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html
Everyone who has touched currency is a capitalist, everyone who has paid taxes is a commie, everyone who has regulated a technology is a fascist
Or perhaps... one must look at the full fact pattern of a person's behavior to approximate (and always imperfectly!) their political philosophy.
Hilarious
I'm glad I don't own stock in a public Anthropic.
There's no way they have the authority to actually order this and not just request this right? If crypto is speech... LLMs definitely are...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_from_th...
It's been interesting seeing how OpenAI pops up to counter the threat of AGI being controlled by Google, and then OpenAI and every spinoff company from its employees has become a far larger threat to the public, for different reasons.
As much as it seems like Anthropic's self righteous leadership truly believes in what they're preaching, they've shown themselves to be tied for the worst stewards of this technology. Google actually seems like the best option to me, by far. Anthropic is also the only major lab with no open weights releases.
They'll have burned a lot of goodwill with the community by the time another lab takes the tech lead, which I guarantee will happen.
The page showed June 11, 2026 and has now been updated to June 12, 2026 in the last 10m.
https://imgur.com/a/lx7HCW9
Edit:
Google mislabels crawl dates clearly my bad
https://imgur.com/a/EOWWUbD
That's the release blog post. Google is likely pulling the snippet from the Related Content section at the bottom, which includes the post about the US government directive.
Where'd you get this info? The imgur is the weakest thing one could've screenshotted. At least use archive.today or screenshot the evidence that Google crawled it.
How will this be implemented/verified? Also, does this mean that American citizens abroad will still be able to access it?
We can cancel all those data center plans, won't need them anymore.
What’s not clear?
This sounds exactly like the opening line from an apocalyptic sci-fi film.
[0] https://europe2031.ai
Am I missing something?
https://youtu.be/l2ThMmgQdpE
But a model that can provide general information, research, or source code for most modern technology?
It is really unusual that this is the first notice of this
Additional theory: Altman is behind it.
Sounds like they only want Americans to access SOTA AI.
See also https://www.404media.co/fcc-wants-to-kill-burner-phones-by-f...
Digital yellow star by exclusion from digital life for foreigners.
Remember when tech companies would go to court to vigorously defend against infringement of their and their customers rights? Turns out that’s just a feature of democracy, once you have autocrats it’s all compliance.
Anthropic just baited themselves with their scaremongering to be the attack vector here.
> We reviewed a demonstration of this specific technique being used to identify a small number of previously known, minor vulnerabilities. These vulnerabilities all appear relatively simple, and we have found that other publicly-available models are able to discover them as well without requiring a bypass
That is absolutely NOT what is being said there.
They are referring to a very specific thing that you must have clearly seen and chosen to ignore—a jailbreak for LLMs that is used on other models and to some effect with Fable 5.
Another interpretation, of course, is that this is just US putting a thumb on the scale for US competitors around IPO time. It will be interesting to see if there are any fingerprints.
Haven't they/we already, or am I just not interpreting the last decade or so of growing widespread insanity correctly?
It may be safer to just move the company to Canada.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_ti...
https://xkcd.com/1053/
Down the rabbit-hole with me now to discover who said it first... LOL!
(Edit: Proving to be a fruitless quest thus far. Nobody seems to know.)
There we go. This should make nations consider whether they're letting their workforces become dependent on foreign tools, but of course they won't.
The people who are the smartest people full stop aren’t the leaders of these companies - they’re the people you never meet, who are working in the research department, begging not to be promoted into management.
The only other relevant players are France and China.
(2) I am really tired of the AI community trying to threaten everyone with grey goo and finding out the hype doesn't land comfy with others. It's a freaking text generator, not god in a pocket.
The most ethical goal of an AI lab or government should be to bring the maximum amount of intelligence for as cheap as possible to the people equally.
It would be hard to classify AI (or tanks, artillery, missiles, aircraft) as “arms” that can be “borne” in that sense.
But your statement could be rephrased as
> The most ethical goal of a weapons manufacturer or government should be to bring the maximum number of nuclear weapons for as cheap as possible to the people equally.
Making sure everyone is a strapped as possible only makes sense to the type of libertarians who salivate at the idea of shooting someone who steps on their property to deliver a letter
If it’s the latter then I missed the joke. If it’s the former I think you’re incorrect.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48498573
But what about the pelicans ?
(Ok gotta spend my upvote points somewhere)
By thinking for ourselves and writing the code with the keyboard.
Europe really needs to get some useful sovereign capability and right quick.
Well you said it yourself they are erratic, so maybe?
There is something called the Streisand effect and they are about to unintentionally get a bunch of more token gamblers into their casino.
We'll see if this backfires hard, but then again constant doomsaying will get yourself under scrutiny and self exclusion (due to the 30+ day retention clause) and this is exactly what Anthropic wants for free marketing.
Dario, yesterday: "I am grateful to see the Trump administration’s Executive Order move incrementally towards a greater role for government in AI, though Anthropic’s proposal recommends even further action."
Trump, today: Further action
Dario: "Waaaah! This petard I asked President Trump for hoisted my ass halfway to the Moon! Nobody warned me he'd do something like this! No fairrrr!"
Laying the groundwork to limit access to high capability models
*(ask it in a more stern voice)
Surprisingly, I've found this works shockingly well (along with any plausible-sounding reason why it was wrong of the model to refuse) to "jailbreak" many models I've played with thus far. They're all just so eager to please...
Although it's gonna be more difficult to come up with a Fable competitor than a m365 one
Wonder how many US-based early-stage startups are using Opus to research incorporating and moving overseas at this very moment.
EU isn’t tenable, UK is iffy. Australia? Thailand? Who wants to be innovation-friendly?
2. Get treated like you actually did what you claimed, and face consequences
3. ???
4. Profit
> In fact, our safeguards are so strong that many users have complained that they are overly broad.
And now this. How would they even enforce this restriction when they can't know what nationality the end user behind some API query belonging to a company account has? It seems like nobody is thinking things through anymore and the end result is total unreliability from every angle. What a huge mess all of it, sigh.