It is remarkable how much it resembles the medieval T&O maps, including putting Jerusalem and the Mediterranean at the center of the world. (Which is what Mediterranean means.) And the East at the top (where we get "orient" from).
I am sure they knew that and the allusion is deliberate.
cwnyth 7 hours ago [-]
"Orient" does not have anything to do with the top of the map. It refers to the rising of the sun ("oriens" in Latin means "rising", from orior, and "occidens" means "setting" when referring to the sun). Fun fact, the Greek word for orior is ἀνατέλλω and is where we ultimately get the word "Anatolia" from, since for the Greeks that's where the sun rises.
roenxi 8 hours ago [-]
The obvious link between the two maps is neither has much concept of landmass size.The Americas are unknown in the first and unsatisfying imbalanced in the later map (Belize & El Salvadore, something must be done!). With all that in mind, it seems possible it could be a coincidence driven by similar constraints on both maps.
The only choice here seems to be whether the containing shape is a circle, a triangle or a square.
radpanda 11 hours ago [-]
Since the creation of that map Canada and Denmark have gained a border (Hans Island). That barely registers on any traditional map but would dramatically rearrange this.
EDIT: Or maybe it wouldn’t? I don’t see Russia’s border with Lithuania and Poland reflected (due to Kaliningrad) so maybe only the “main” part of a country is considered?
radpanda 10 hours ago [-]
Looking at the author’s Reddit post apparently things like exclaves were intentionally omitted for simplicity’s sake.
Still doesn’t explain some things, like, why is Singapore (an island) shown on the map as having a border with Malaysia? Other countries connected by bridge or causeway (Denmark and Sweden, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain) aren’t shown as sharing a border.
saalaa 1 hours ago [-]
You just opened my mind. I was absolutely convinced that Singapore did share a land border somewhere.
mncharity 7 hours ago [-]
I was wondering a few days ago, if for teaching geography, one might collect compelling images/stories, which combined, might weave a familiarity with the layout of the planet?
Commonplace, is Earth having a water hemisphere, and landed one. Or the now-distant but coupled shapes of South America and Africa. The rumpled bedsheets of the Indian plate collision. Then there's a green crescent of green China, SE Asia, and India, curved around a contrasting desert China and the Stans. Maybe China/Mongolia as a wedge inserted between Russian and SE Asia plus India, poking the Stans, injecting Silk Roads towards the Seas. The Blue Banana of Europe. Ring of Fire. Great Plains topographic funneling and tornados. Africa now desert and green, was khaki/green and less green, and Last Glacial Maximum was desert and dry.
Canada was my first guess, and I was able to get the rest of the Western hemisphere after that. I'm looking now for Portugal which i think should be pretty obvious, but I must be missing something.
Edit. Also, I was wondering why there was no French Guyana, but being part of France means it's not a separate country. However, in that case France should share a border with Brazil. I wonder what other such quirks are in this map.
kzrdude 1 hours ago [-]
I had a different strategy, starting with lots of connections, so I found Russia and China first. Albeit playing with a lot of mistakes.
I just did my first second-hand inference and it was satisfying. Turkey borders Bulgaria and Greece, don't know which is which, but those two both border North Macedonia, which was a correct guess.
dlenski 6 hours ago [-]
In addition to sharing a land border with Brazil and Suriname (via French Guiana), France also shares a land border with the Netherlands… on the island of St Martin/Sint Maarten.
Also, there's a new land border between Canada and Denmark, and not depicted on this map, since the border did not formally come into existence until 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island#Resolution
kens 6 hours ago [-]
Curiously, Eswatini (formerly Swaziland) is capitalized eSwatini, as if it is an e-commerce site.
tossOutSub 1 hours ago [-]
In siSwati it is known as eSwatini
maartenscholl 10 hours ago [-]
The Netherlands and France share a border on the island of Saint Martin
didgeoridoo 10 hours ago [-]
France also borders Suriname and Brazil at French Guiana, Spain borders the UK at Gibraltar (and Morocco at Ceuta and Melilla)… there’s lots of pub-quiz-winning ones sprinkled about!
xigoi 3 hours ago [-]
The map clearly says that it ignores exclaves.
frollogaston 7 hours ago [-]
Reminds me of some custom Diplomacy maps
Lerc 10 hours ago [-]
Notably Oman, and Iran border seperate bodies of water.
That would make things a lot simpler.
[Edit, I stand corrected, there's a little bit that goes up to Iran and nips off a corner)]
tocs3 5 days ago [-]
I really like this and may have to try to make a poster.
mcookly 4 days ago [-]
This is super cool. I'd love to see it in a vintage style like that of old T-O maps!
xyzsparetimexyz 9 hours ago [-]
Albania and Bosnia share a small border
lastofthemojito 8 hours ago [-]
I don't think that's true and Googling for it didn't come up with anything. Croatia and Montenegro do share a border but that must run afoul of the map creator's "no exclaves" rule as that bit of Croatia isn't contiguous with the rest of Croatia.
ForOldHack 5 hours ago [-]
Yourube search for strange borders. The number of enclaves is staggering. Upon further inspection... fail.
xigoi 3 hours ago [-]
The map explicitly says that it ignores exclaves.
kittikitti 5 hours ago [-]
A zionist map is one where Israel is in the center.
Rendered at 10:18:07 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time) with Vercel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_and_O_map
I am sure they knew that and the allusion is deliberate.
The only choice here seems to be whether the containing shape is a circle, a triangle or a square.
EDIT: Or maybe it wouldn’t? I don’t see Russia’s border with Lithuania and Poland reflected (due to Kaliningrad) so maybe only the “main” part of a country is considered?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/gxwn5r/oc_the_topo...
Still doesn’t explain some things, like, why is Singapore (an island) shown on the map as having a border with Malaysia? Other countries connected by bridge or causeway (Denmark and Sweden, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain) aren’t shown as sharing a border.
Commonplace, is Earth having a water hemisphere, and landed one. Or the now-distant but coupled shapes of South America and Africa. The rumpled bedsheets of the Indian plate collision. Then there's a green crescent of green China, SE Asia, and India, curved around a contrasting desert China and the Stans. Maybe China/Mongolia as a wedge inserted between Russian and SE Asia plus India, poking the Stans, injecting Silk Roads towards the Seas. The Blue Banana of Europe. Ring of Fire. Great Plains topographic funneling and tornados. Africa now desert and green, was khaki/green and less green, and Last Glacial Maximum was desert and dry.
TFA map is another.
Thoughts?
[spoiler alert] Try finding Canada
Edit. Also, I was wondering why there was no French Guyana, but being part of France means it's not a separate country. However, in that case France should share a border with Brazil. I wonder what other such quirks are in this map.
I just did my first second-hand inference and it was satisfying. Turkey borders Bulgaria and Greece, don't know which is which, but those two both border North Macedonia, which was a correct guess.
Also, there's a new land border between Canada and Denmark, and not depicted on this map, since the border did not formally come into existence until 2022. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Island#Resolution
That would make things a lot simpler.
[Edit, I stand corrected, there's a little bit that goes up to Iran and nips off a corner)]