Never mind the policy, why do tech CEOs have to sound like frat boys?
smt88 30 minutes ago [-]
Because they’re all fraternity rejects who still want college boys to think they’re cool
PaulDavisThe1st 9 minutes ago [-]
That might have been an excuse in 1992. It's not an excuse in 2026. The geeks won. We are the cool guys (or were, until the fucking geek CEOs went insane).
cyanydeez 3 minutes ago [-]
"We are the guys who get to be future rapists, ego maniacs, and provide once in for all, it's not personality, just money and fortune that makes business shit"
rexpop 19 minutes ago [-]
> “That’s bullshit and loser thinking. Of course it’s possible to be fast and secure,” Yen wrote in the channel at the end of August.
What a jerk. I agree that security doesn't have to be given time—like all software, implementation takes the time it takes.
But he doesn't have to be such an asshole about it. In my book, there's nothing more representative of "loser thinking" than casting petulant aspersions like "loser thinking."
seattle_spring 26 minutes ago [-]
Dunno, but it's a big reason why I hated living in SF, hate being lumped in with "tech bros", and absolutely cannot stand people who turn their entire personality into being "all in on AI".
28304283409234 38 minutes ago [-]
Damn I thought these were the good guys.
phyzome 3 minutes ago [-]
There have been a number of signs over the past few years that they are very much not the good guys.
cyanydeez 1 minutes ago [-]
yeah, it's the "getting rich" part that...tips you off.
steve_adams_86 10 minutes ago [-]
This doesn't make them bad guys, though.
meibo 5 minutes ago [-]
Being cruel to your employees qualifies, regardless whether they care about the product, IMO. And it seems like those employees did care. Words matter and shape the environment people work in.
CamperBob2 8 minutes ago [-]
Failure to take advantage of available tools does not suggest whether you are a good guy or a bad guy, just whether you are a competent guy or an incompetent guy.
SamDc73 7 minutes ago [-]
I wish they can offer LLMs though an API with some good privacy (not a UI) since i can't come across any
Is it me or has Proton been getting more media coverage than usual very recently?
jmspring 28 minutes ago [-]
It seems like it has. My father who is provacy conscious but not really one to seek specific things out started talking about / investigating proton a couple of weeks ago. He is almost 80.
anonymous908213 57 minutes ago [-]
FFS. ProtonVPN is borderline irreplaceable as one of the three or so VPNs that you don't have to trust because they've been tested in court not to have VPN logs. Losing one of them hurts.
virtualcharles 15 minutes ago [-]
Who are the others? Mullvad I assume, although they had their own brush with bullshit not too long ago.
SamDc73 9 minutes ago [-]
> although they had their own brush with bullshit not too long ago.
After everything in the past six months do we really think that humans are better than coding agents at writing secure code?! This announcement honestly makes me more confident not less in their products.
rationalist 11 minutes ago [-]
Commonly attributed to Upton Sinclair:
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
Just like other advances in technology have replaced jobs, AI will replace jobs.
I'm sure the elevator opperators lamented push-button controls that anyone could just press too.
It sucks, but I imagine most programmers are smart enough to be able to pivot careers or how they do their jobs.
ls612 7 minutes ago [-]
The lump of labor fallacy is a fallacy not real. Phrased another way, demand for software is more or less infinite so if coding agents make everyone a 10x engineer eventually we will easily find use for 10x more software.
rationalist 3 minutes ago [-]
> demand for software is more or less infinite so if coding agents make everyone a 10x engineer eventually we will easily find use for 10x more software.
That will probably be true.
TutleCpt 1 hours ago [-]
Do we really need humans writing code anymore though? Another year of development and AI is just going to be superior to a human writing code. It's already about 90% there.
blindhippo 50 minutes ago [-]
Humans still write the code, we just do it using AI tools.
If we abdicate and let all software development and operations occur through the use of fully autonomous agents, someone is still ultimately responsible for the agents work/screw-ups. Thus, there is still a human writing code, from an ownership perspective. We all know it won't be the capital/manager class holding the stick there.
phyzome 1 minutes ago [-]
...no? That's just called being a crumple zone.
krapp 43 minutes ago [-]
>If we abdicate and let all software development and operations occur through the use of fully autonomous agents, someone is still ultimately responsible for the agents work/screw-ups. Thus, there is still a human writing code, from an ownership perspective.
That isn't what "writing code" means. The responsibility is for using the AI, or being negligent in doing so, but the AI is obviously writing the code. That's the entire point of it.
smsm42 12 minutes ago [-]
Are compilers writing code? I mean, people hadn't been producing anything that a CPU is actually executing (excepting some very rare special cases) for decades now. So we never wrote code to begin with...
smsm42 14 minutes ago [-]
Depends on what do you mean by "writing code". Once, writing code meant punching holes in pieces of paper and feeding that into a machine. Then the technology changed. Writing code became entering cryptic numbers into the machine. Then the technology changed. Writing code became typing words and punctuation that have some passing connection to English but otherwise meaningless to a non-professional. Then the technology changed. Writing code became much more like writing text but still not resembling any actual text. Then the technology changed... It will change again. It still won't magically produce something sensible out of nothing.
xaksnTMu2 25 minutes ago [-]
Prototype self-driving cars where able to handle 90% of driving around 1990. Sometimes it is very hard to go from something that works very often to something that works always.
28304283409234 38 minutes ago [-]
Regardless of who or what writes it, it needs to be tested.
InsideOutSanta 37 minutes ago [-]
I don't even care about that. Sure, use LLMs to write code. But the way Andy talks to his employees and treats them is so disrespectful, I find it actually despicable.
Unfortunately, it's not super easy for me to migrate away from Proton, but it's the next personal tech project I'll undertake.
hoppp 57 minutes ago [-]
Companies need somebody to yell at when hackers get in.
platevoltage 34 minutes ago [-]
This bubble can't pop soon enough.
YmFzZTY0ZGFkZHk 13 minutes ago [-]
You are right. Let's just hand the keys to everything to the AI companies. They've proven to be trustworthy and ethical. I trust them so much, I'm just going to stop thinking and say yes.
/s
whoanoway 11 minutes ago [-]
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josefritzishere 56 minutes ago [-]
That seems highly optimistic.
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What a jerk. I agree that security doesn't have to be given time—like all software, implementation takes the time it takes.
But he doesn't have to be such an asshole about it. In my book, there's nothing more representative of "loser thinking" than casting petulant aspersions like "loser thinking."
can you elaborate?
Any good alternatives?
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
Just like other advances in technology have replaced jobs, AI will replace jobs.
I'm sure the elevator opperators lamented push-button controls that anyone could just press too.
It sucks, but I imagine most programmers are smart enough to be able to pivot careers or how they do their jobs.
That will probably be true.
If we abdicate and let all software development and operations occur through the use of fully autonomous agents, someone is still ultimately responsible for the agents work/screw-ups. Thus, there is still a human writing code, from an ownership perspective. We all know it won't be the capital/manager class holding the stick there.
That isn't what "writing code" means. The responsibility is for using the AI, or being negligent in doing so, but the AI is obviously writing the code. That's the entire point of it.
Unfortunately, it's not super easy for me to migrate away from Proton, but it's the next personal tech project I'll undertake.
/s